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Abysmal turnout shows its time to get rid of Police and Crime Commissioners

By Mark Mansfield
Polling station

Martin Shipton

There is only one way to interpret the appallingly low turnouts in Wales’ Police and Crime Commissioner elections: as a mandate for change.

For those who haven’t checked the figures, the proportion of people on the electoral register who bothered to vote was 19.2% in the Dyfed-Powys police force area, 17.19% in North Wales, 16.58% in South Wales and 15.63% in Gwent.

With such derisory support from the public, those elected have no democratic credibility. The PCC role should be scrapped, policing should be devolved to Wales, the four Welsh police forces should be merged into one and it should be accountable to, and scrutinised by, the Senedd.

Unfortunately the UK Labour Party, which will soon be in power at Westminster, hasn’t grasped that message, as we have witnessed over the past couple of days with the display of triumphalism following their candidates’ pitiful victories in three of the four contests in Wales.

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Credibility

The new PCC for Gwent Jane Mudd, until now the Labour leader of Newport council, complained that the election she won was “standalone”, meaning that the turnout would have been higher if another election had been held on the same day for the council, the Senedd or Westminster. But what kind of democratic credibility would be achieved by piggybacking on something else? By failing to vote, more than 80% of the Welsh public has made it clear that electing a PCC is a matter of no interest to them.

The warning signs have been around for a long time - since before the law creating PCCs was passed, in fact. I looked up a House of Commons debate dated September 12 2011, when the Tory-Lib Dem coalition government was proposing the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill, which established the PCC system.

Rhondda Labour MP Chris Bryant sparred with the Tory Minister promoting the Bill, Nick Herbert, who had claimed that the introduction of PCCs would greatly improve police accountability. Mr Bryant responded: “The Minister is preaching a great sermon on how everything will be transformed by the creation of commissioners, but my concern is that what he means by the word ‘local’ is not at all what is going to be brought about.

"The South Wales Police force area covering Swansea and Cardiff — two cities that have never particularly loved each other — and large chunks of the Valleys, which have a very different policing agenda from those two cities, could not possibly be constituted as a single political unit by anybody who was starting afresh. So my worry is that there will be less political accountability to local people and more accountability to one individual, who will probably be more likely to represent somebody in Cardiff and Swansea than somebody in the Valleys.

“What I have found in the past few years in South Wales Police is that although it is true that the Chief Constable is not particularly accountable, what has made the police accountable is the local PACT — Police and Communities Together — meetings, where members of the public get to know they can get in touch with their local beat police officer. It is that transformation of the police that will render policing far more effective, rather than the somewhat bureaucratic system that the Minister is setting up.

“I have never supported the politicising of the police, and I will not do so under the Minister’s plans. My anxiety is that when a politician comes along, they usually do not just want a little office in the corner; they want lots of other people to service that office. I suspect that the cost that he is allowing for now will be hideously understated by the time we have had these people in place for four years.”

More tersely, Mark Tami, the Labour MP for Alyn and Deeside, responded to Mr Herbert’s claim that the creation of PCCs was a popular move, saying: “The Minister states that this whole idea is popular. What does he base that on, because all the information I have seen indicates that the public do not want this.”

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Futility

With the benefit of hindsight, and the experience of 12 years of PCC futility, it would be interesting to know whether Mr (now Lord) Herbert retains the opinion he held in 2011.

So far, sadly, the Labour Party has shown no sign of wanting to scrap what is clearly a failed experiment in democracy and accountability - perhaps because it’s convenient to have a network of well-paid sinecures in which to shunt second- or third-rate apparatchiks.

As if the overall election turnout figures weren’t bad enough, there are pockets where it was even worse. In Merthyr Tydfil the turnout was around 12%, leaving one to speculate how low it must have been in especially impoverished areas like the Gurnos estate.

In largely middle class Monmouthshire, the turnout nudged over 20% to 21.2%, with the Gwent Tory candidate Hannah Jarvis beating Ms Mudd by 6,653 votes to 5,744 - a result that doubtless brought a smile to the face of Welsh Secretary David TC Davies, who will be defending the seat at the general election against a strong Labour challenge.

But the general level of disengagement represented by the PCC turnouts brings democracy into disrepute. It can’t be attributed entirely to the narrative of disillusionment with politics as a whole. Many people - myself included, for the first time since I’ve been eligible to vote - consciously boycotted the election because we don’t believe in the PCC role.

PCCs have no operational responsibilities - nor should they. Theoretically they are meant to hold the force to account, but as a resident of the South Wales Police area, I am unaware what this has amounted to in practice. I received no literature through my door from any of the candidates, which in itself tells you what the parties think of the PCC role.

Devolving policing

It is absurd that the UK Labour Party is against devolving responsibility for policing to the Welsh Government - a policy supported by Welsh Labour. It is even more absurd that Swansea East MP Carolyn Harris opposes the devolution of policing, when she is Welsh Labour’s deputy leader. She wasn’t able to articulate a coherent reason why when challenged by an ITV Wales journalist, simply saying: “I just wouldn’t.”

Former Bridgend council Labour leader Jeff Jones thinks the head-in-the-sand attitude of his party colleagues is counter-productive.

“They’re celebrating victories on tiny turnouts when they should be questioning why so few bothered to vote,” he said. “We’ve seen that only a small proportion of the Welsh electorate wanted to vote. This needs to be discussed at the Senedd. Policing should be devolved to Wales, the forces merged into one, PCCs should be abolished and the police should be scrutinised by the Senedd. It’s a complete no-brainer and time to end this farce.”

Of course it's a no-brainer. But will UK Labour and the likes of Carolyn Harris see it that way? I somehow doubt it.

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22 comments

Glwyo

Even in the local election my side of the ffin the turnout was below 20%. That might be why they don't want to discuss the matter. Btw I also voted to scrap the position of PCC (by which I mean I spoiled my ballot).

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A.Redman

In any election those who choose not to vote have no reason to complain about the outcome?

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Mr Williams

I agree. PCCs should be scrapped and policing should be fully devolved to Wales. I saw no information about the 4 candidates for north Wales. No leaflets etc. Also, I read Nation.Cymru, Wales online and North Wales live everyday, but saw nothing about them or their aspirations for north Wales' police and community (please correct me if I'm wrong, but I certainly couldn't find anything - and I did look).

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Rob

Whats even more absurd is that PCC elections has reverted back to the outdated First past the post system. Labour's Andy Dunbobbin was elected by just 36% of those who turned out to vote in North Wales. Yet I expect Labour will claim that this is some sort of democratic mandate. Police and Crime Commissioners should be scrapped and policing in Wales should be devolved.If the Tories had it their way we would be electing the Coroners like they do in the US. Should we be able to elect our GPs?

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Chris

What about the postal votes ?

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adrian savill

Excellent article - policing must be devolved

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Ap Kenneth

...and the least surprising headline of the weekend is - https://www.wrexham.com/news/new-police-and-crime-commissioner-would-not-abolish-police-and-crime-commissioner-role-250941.html

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Mike Owen

Indeed. What a staggeringly silly article. Of course he won't abolish it.

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Geraint

The comments about a PCC being the voice of the people to hold the police to account have been trotted out again recently. To me one of the biggest failures of the role was when the PCC for South Wales Police for several days gave full throated support to the police after two youngsters in Cardiff died in a traffic accident. The ' nothing to see here, move on' type response from 'the voice of the people' was soon changed after a film emerged showing a police van following the youngsters closely showed the inability of PCCs to have an impact.

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Jeff

It was and still is a con. My extra several hundred on my council tax bill has got me fewer police, worse response times and call an issue in, "we may send someone out in the next week". But someone has a tidy wage from my extra several hundred on the tax bill. Conservative austerity still harming the UK, far more than cutting police numbers.

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Y Cymro

I'd just scrap them. If England wants commissioners. So be it. But what Wales needs is the devolution of Policing & Criminal Justice so we can taylor a system of law & order that suits us , not an English copy and paste to Wales because the Westminster establishment still thinks of Wales as England's first trophy nation therefore forever part of their realm and not a nation in its own right. With the recent low turnout with the Police & Crime Commissioner vote in Wales, it's highly likely Keir Starmer & Labour will become the next PM & UK government. My question is. How will Welsh Labour and FM Vaughan Gething approach the question of requesting the devolution of powers continually requested but denied only to Wales that's enjoyed by Scotland & NI such as powers over Policing, Criminal & Youth Justice, creation Saint David bank holiday, Crown Estate, Air Tax Duty ect... And when UK Labour win power either in May or November, no longer can Welsh Labour bemoan English Conservative hostility towards devolving powers requested when the so-called "architects of devolution" are in office . The ball is in Vaughan Gething's & Welsh Labour's court. Either start fighting for Wales Vaughan or move over and let Rhun ap Iorwerth & Paid Cymru take the reigns of power. I'm sick to the pit of my stomach of Welsh Labour's quitter attitude and inactivity over the years.

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Ap Kenneth

Policing is also devolved in London and Manchester, why is policing still controlled from London?

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Johnny Gamble

I agree with you in terms of voting turnout as what you have said is true.Also in 2011 there was a low turnout to give the Senedd Primary legislation powers.A Google search will give you the percentage turnout. Where I disagree is your comment on abolishing the Senedd.Your entitled to your opinion and that's fine by me. In the 1979 referendum campaign which I remember was really ugly as sectarianism was used, those campaigning for a No vote said than extra money would be made available for health and education. Guess what, Margaret Thatcher was elected and the extra money that was promised was cut rather than invested. I'm certainly no fan of the way the Senedd is governed but like it or not Devolution is here to stay as even The Conservatives and Reform have embraced Devolution. There's nothing worse than Westminster with it's corruption and mismanagement but the answer is to vote these people out of office.

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Arfon Jones

I disagree, it's a cost efficient way of scrutinising compared to 4 x Police Authorities x 17 members. To have one force where all resources will be based within the M4 beltway will be a disaster for the North and Dyfed Powys where the operational activity is east to west rather than North to South. The Fire Service in Wales is devolved and there are 3 services with one which is wholly dysfunctional so why not 4 forces. The Senedd neither has the expertise in the civil service or amongst its politicians to hold the Police Service to account, I would go further and say few elected politicians even have an interest in policing. To replicate Police Scotland will be a failure to learn lessons from that restructure which was a disaster and still leaves a lot to be desired. The big question is what did Martin Shipton and Nation.Cymru do to inform the public before the election?

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Mark Mansfield

We had news stories, profiles and op-eds and reported all the results - despite the appalling turn out. And there is more to come. With respect, your criticism of us is nonsense.

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Arfon Jones

None of your articles are particularly positive in that they would inspire your readers to vote. The press must share responsibility with the government and the parties/candidates. This election wasn't on a level playing field compared to others I.e. free leaflet to every house.

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Mark Mansfield

We're not here for propaganda.it's the job of the candidates and political parties to inspire people to vote. They clearly failed.

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Mike Owen

Agree 100%. Scrap them. Just more "jobs for the boys" mostly Labour.

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Geraint

If you 'extend the logic' as you suggest you would want all county elections to go as well. The last Senedd election came in at 47%. This figure is a little higher than most council elections. In the last Cardiff CC election turn out was 39%. Mayor Khan in London was returned on a 42% turn out. Many parliamentary by-elections come in with shockingly low turn outs. If you look across the pond to the USA, mid term elections that elect Senate and Congress members regularly come in at around the high 40% figure. It would appear you think that turn out justified only one level of election where about one in three don't participate.

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Huw Evans

Just for the sake of clarity, is contributor Arfon Jones the same or a different person from the person of the same name who was PCC for Norrh Wales?

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Rob

First of all devolution is not failing Wales, Labour is failing Wales. If you don't like their policies then vote them out. We have a very incompetent UK government, but I don't hear anyone calling for the abolition of Westminster. The calls to abolish the Senedd are by those who don't believe that Wales is somehow capable of making its own decisions. If you don't vote, then you cannot complain.

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Margaret Helen Parish

Why devolve Policing and the courts to Wales...They (Senedd) have made a mess of everything it has touched!

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