Protest at the Eisteddfod as Jo Stevens confirms Crown Estate revenues will not be devolved to Wales

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wales will benefit from this and from that, when in reality it will just be the Crown and the Treasury. Our resources have been plundered for too long and much of our country remains in poverty. It's no wonder that the majority of our younger generation in Cymru now see independence as a viable option in their future. This rebuttal will just see that percentage grow bigger and that's the only silver lining from this affair.

As per usual she is talking utter cac when it comes to Cymru. Note that she says the Crown Estates are investing £400m, but that is for the whole UK, and the £60 billion she mentions is also for the whole of the UK. She also says that the Crown Estates is working for Cymru, but all the money goes to England. Maintaining the status quo is all that matters to her, re HS2 and the Cambridge rail project, its as if she herself wrote the famous words" for Wales see England". Time of the union is long past.

Imperialist drivel!

Wales isn’t going to get anywhere with Westminster and we need to learn that pretty quickly. We are three million population and we have absolutely no bargaining power and that’s the problem. To move ahead we need to change tactics and do something radically different to be heard.

Jo Stevens managed, last summer, to upturn my initial inclination to vote Labour at the Westminster election. Thirteen months later, she's still apparently cementing in the reasons for my change of mind and heart!

Are you even Welsh? WG have done remarkably well with the limited funds it gets from England.

Getting fed up with these BritNat MP's "representing" Wales, they won't even give us parity with Scotland, they're scared of losing power and influence, Wales needs to take our independence not wait for it to be given.

Think it’s time to scrap the Welsh Secretary role. It isn’t Wales’ voice in Westminster, it’s Westminster’s voice in Wales. instead the PM should have meetings with the first ministers of Wales, Scotland and NI so he can actually hear what those countries want.

I'm starting to think that all "Welsh Labour" MPs have a St George's flag lovingly tattooed on their bottoms. They're all just a bunch of bootlicking Quislings.

Give examples of squandering please.

"Blah blah blah, bullsh!t bullsh!t", that was my main takeaway from her word salad of a statement. If she was honest she would say: "England is taking you resources and there is nothing you can do about it. So shut up and let us get on with the job of ripping you off like the stupid little Welshies you are. Or better still, cease to exist". Yet another reason (not that I need any more) not to vote for the fascist imperialists in the Labour Party.

You keep commenting but you haven't given examples to back your argument and it just sounds like hot air.

As opposed to Westminster squandering money on infrastructure projects in England and classifying them as "England and Wales" thus ensuring that we don't get any Barnett Formula consequential. This is colonialism, pure and simple.

Build a road, fill a road, then you will complain again. Education, NHS doing just great with the limited funds available. Wales can do much more with more funds. If money was disappearing somewhere into a rabbit hole sort of what happened with PPE during Covid, then you are talking.

What exactly has Stevens ever done for her Cardiff Constituency let alone Cymru.

I bet she was well pleased to announce that news. Not many Welsh Secretaries have ever been Wales-friendly. They are specially selected for being anti-Cymru.

Westminster grown up? Don't make me laugh.

This has been said over and over again: If you don't have faith in the Welsh Government then vote them out next year. Some people act as though as if incompetence only exists in Cardiff Bay. It exists everywhere, including Westminster I would much rather have Crown Estate funds spent in Wales then for it to be spent in England which would be of no benefit to us, even if I may not agree on how they spend it.

So are the UK Labour Government going to campaign against the re-election of the Welsh Labour Government next year because they don't have a plan, and cannot be trusted with their spending?

Make it loud and make it clear. We should not back down from this, especially when we are the poorest country in Western Europe.

Can you believe that we have to ask permission from another country to run our own affairs!!!!

No, she is weak.

The core issue at the root of this is that 'England and Wales' is a single legal entity (and Scotland is its own, having its own legislature). This is the status quo, and as long as one sees no problem with this arrangement, then the devolution os the Crown Estate is a non-starter. Similarly, the HS2 project is seen to benefit that same single legal entity, with no need to quibble about the various regions within that do not directly benefit (of which Wales is only one). This is the fact which is irreconcilable with the sentiments of those who feel what Wales (in particular) is hard done by Westminster. Governments like to centralise, because it's cheaper and more efficient. Hence the Acts of Wales and the Act of Union. This naturally comes at the expense of the different identities felt by the various peoples living within the UK, of which, again, Wales is just one. If the Crown Estate is to be devolved, then Wales needs to be seen as a separate legal entity. Don't hold your breathe.

Does she and all the other Liebour M P,s realise they are supposed to stick up for Wales fight our corner but they are no different to the Tory it with Liebour Welsh M P,s they Put England First Liebour party second and do not give Wales a second thought. This is the women who at the time was Welsh shadow sec when in oposistion when H S 2 was announced and Scotland and Northern Ireland had billions given to them we got NOTHING she said Wales should have the same Billions of pounds now in government No you are not having any Liebour have more faces than Big Ben. A couple of weeks ago when money was given again to Scotland and Northern Ireland for billions given to a Railway project Cambridge to Oxford again called English and Welsh Project just like H S 2 Jones a Bristol Liebour M P in the treasury stated WALES SHOULD BE GRATEFULL FOR WHAT THEY GET which made my blood boil which again was peanuts compaired to what Scotland and Northern Ireland get NOW IS THE TIME TO GET OUT OF THIS UNION

Are you criticising the senedd or the politicians?

Via whom them? Once again if you don't like the Labour Government or 'the circus in the Bay' then vote them out next year.

I think we're all coming to the conclusion that British Labour no longer speaks for or represents Wales. It's not the party of 50 years ago, it's barely the party of 20 years ago. Welsh Labour need to cut ties with the farce in Westminster at the very least, some partnership this turned out to be.

Absolutely no time for Jo Stevens; but there are more important issues like a convincing policy platform to defeat Reform. Time is running out and flogging this dead horse isn’t going to get us anywhere - at least for the moment.

All well and good saying Wales gets more renewables - yet this doesn't create domestic industry and it doesn't lower our energy bills. Labour once again showing that it doesn't matter how much control they get on a local, Wales or UK level they will still sell us short despite having full unilateral government control. I'm no reform voter but I won't be surprised when Labour loses their Wales and UK majority to them in the coming years. It will be the neoliberal anti-welsh unionists that will be surprised at reforms success.

Jo Stephens has proved time and time again that she is a committed English Nationalist and Colonialist masquerading as Secretary of State for Wales. As such, we expect and have noticed that her words and actions are consistently detrimental and harmful to Wales, the latest case being her virulent opposition to the responsibility for Crown Estate in Wales being transferred to the Senedd. In this respect her Labour Government has perpetuated discriminated in favour of Scotland and against Wales. What’s new?

Same political party in control for 25 years - "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"

Well done Jo, you'll get the Damehood you're craving soon.

Is London Labour really in charge, or are they just a messenger for the unelected Etonian cabal who've been running SW1 for centuries.

Her and her Chamber mate in Cardiff, Gething come from the same pot. Just waiting for his and her enoblement to hold sway over us serfs.

Is there any point in MP’s when they work against the will and benefit of Wales?

Drwy ddweud yr holl sothach'na, mae Jo Stephens yn bradychu Cymru. Yr unig ateb ydy annibyniaeth i Gymru a meddiannu ar yr holl eiddio a thiroedd sy'n cael eu hecsbloetio gan Ystad Coron Lloegr.

She`s English and Labour, what do you expect?.

I here we are in a union, never see evidence though

Labour seem to demonstrate their deep seated hatred and disrespect for Wales on a daily basis now. How much longer are we going to let them carry out their theft of our country?