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Welsh dual-code rugby star under fire for women summarisers comment

By David Owens
John Devereux after being inducted into the Welsh Sports Hall of Fame in 2023

A former Wales rugby and British and Irish Lions star who also played rugby league for Great Britain has come under fire for criticising female co-commentators.

In a post on X, formerly Twitter, John Devereux, the former Bridgend and Widnes player who represented Wales in both union and league, took a swipe at the use of female summarisers in football and rugby commentary.

He wrote: "Every bloody game now of men’s football and rugby for that matter on BBC has a woman summariser in it. Any chance we can have a red button choice, with and without? Just asking for a few male friends of mine!"

Every bloody game now of men’s football & rugby for that matter on BBC has a woman summariser in it. Any chance we can have a red button choice, with and without? Just asking for a few male friends of mine!

— John Devereux (@DevereuxJohn13) January 29, 2024

His post quickly drew widespread condemnation, with many calling him rugby's answer to Joey Barton.

Barton, the controversial former footballer and manager, was widely condemned after he criticised the participation of women in men's football.

The former Manchester City player and manager of Fleetwood Town and Bristol Rovers created a social media firestorm after referring to Eni Aluko and Lucy Ward as "the Fred and Rose West of football commentary" after they appeared as pundit and co-commentator on an ITV match broadcast.

Devereux, 57, appears to be sticking by his post on X, which still remains visible on the social media site - and he has since doubled down on his statement, clashing with several posters who have challenged his views, which have been described as 'antiquated' and 'out of touch'.

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16 comments

onedragonontheshirt

Complete and utter troglodyte... he's clearly angling after an invite onto that walnut-brained misogynist Barton's podcast.

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Alun

Yes, the times they are a-changin'. And for the better in this particular respect. I wonder if some of the objections are simply because viewers haven't previously heard of the women. For me, I enjoy hearing a different perspective and it's good to see the blokerati being given a bit of a shake-up.

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Glen

Many will agree, including women. In most cases it's just politically correct tokenism.

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karl

Jealousy is it. Fans and pundits can be of any sex. Love of a sport doesn't require testicles

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Richard Davies

john devereux is an embarrassment to Cymru, especially coming after the failings of the WRU with regards to cases of sexism and racism! He should be erased from the "Welsh Sports Hall of Fame."

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Jeff

1930's called, they want their Chumley Warner back. Come off it, perhaps we need a red button to remove machismo dinosaurs that are still rooted in the days of Carry On films. I see a lot of talent and knowledge and I have absolutely no issues.

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Cwm Rhondda

I believe in a meritocracy, whoever is best for the job (regardless of gender) should get the job. Having quotas of different genders, ethnic backgrounds is unfair on those best suited for a particular job role. Having said that I also strongly believe in disadvantaged people (for example people with learning difficulties) should be given opportunities for rewarding, paid jobs.

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Riki

Yes! Crazy though that though.

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Richard Davies

You are the only person to mention quotas. The women are there on merit.

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Riki

Is there any merit to his position? Every time I watch something it also annoys me, not because they are women, but because those hired have no idea what they are on about. This is why I dislike Gary Neville also. Nowadays everything is sexist, or racist! When you slightly question the merit of any decision. For example: Why is there a law in the NFL where in every team has to interview a black coach for their position first when replacing a coach? Even though the majority of players are black!! It’s ridiculous, how about we hire those who are qualified. How crazy would that be?

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Arthur

Generally I agree with john Devereux but I have to say that Gwennan Harries ( football) is better than other pundits on the Welsh scene. Arbenning Gwennan - yn fan mawr ohonot. Werth gwrando.

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Steve George

The issue for me is not whether they are male or female but whether: 1, they can provide insight into how the game is played at that particular level; and 2, whether they have an interesting or engaging way of explaining the game and its technicalities. Women can do, and do, both effectively. However, there is also no doubt that the women's game is nowhere near as powerful, fast and (as yet) skilful as the men's game. In this respect, it is difficult to see how women pundits can have the same level of insight, from playing experience alone, as male pundits. If one of the pundits was there just because they had been a very successful schools player (and because having a young person's perspective was considered important), its unlikely we would value their insight as much as, say, Sam Warburton. And that's the problem, the gap between top level women's rugby and top level men's rugby is about the same as that between top level schoolboys and the men's game. Having said that, Gwenan Harries is excellent, as are many other women pundits, because they bring different and interesting ways of engaging the audience. But, if you're looking for pundits who can give you an insight simply because they've 'been there and done that', then in fairness men are always likely to give you a better insight.

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onedragonontheshirt

You mean like Michael Owen, Jermaine Jenas and Dion Dublin give you a better insight? LOL

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Adrian

Regardless of gender or box ticking it should be the best person to provide the biggest insights to the coverage. Selecting women for equality makes no sense to me and weakens the offering. I want to hear from people who have played at that level, in that competition, or are esteemed proven journalists. Give me Phillippa Tuttiett or Carolyn Hitt every time over Gareth Thomas regardless of the fantastic career he had as they provide fantastic view points clearly and concisely. As a big fan of the Wales women's football team I love the BBC coverage and the co comms and pundits. Always former players who played in similar games and can comment specifically on the women's game situations. A man wouldn't be able to add the same value as they haven't played in it, although Danny Gabbidon provides excellent balance too. Likewise when watching men's rugby or football I want to hear from people have experienced playing in the 6 nations or top European game. To me the difference between men's and womens rugby is night and day even if it is the same game. Some of the females forced on us have nothing to say and are more akin to talking to someone in the pub. In summary, add value to the game you know most about, learn your craft and when ready then cross over to the other formats.

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Generally I agree with john Devereux but I have to say that Gwennan Harries ( football) is better than other pundits on the Welsh scene. Arbenning Gwennan - yn fan mawr ohonot. Werth gwrando.

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