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Why it may take a UK Labour government to give Plaid Cymru a shot at victory

By NationCymru
Adam Price picture by Plaid Cymru

Ifan Morgan Jones

Adam Price’s speech at the Plaid Cymru conference on Friday was a very revealing one.

While conceding that the election was "disappointing", a large part of the speech was dedicated to the fact that they had, in fact, won without winning.

“We didn’t win the election,” he said. “But as so often in our history, we dusted ourselves down and resolved to win the argument instead.

“We snatched our moral victory from the mawing jaws of defeat.”

How had Plaid Cymru achieved this? Through the cooperation deal with Welsh Labour, which included a great bulk of what Plaid Cymru had spent the election campaigning on.

Plaid Cymru, he said, had “moved the Welsh Overton Window” to the extent that it was they, in fact, who were now leading Wales - “who are the leaders now?" he asked.

“Where we lead, they always come – eventually,” he said, finishing by stating that “politics to me is not about who wins or who loses, it’s about doing big things together.”

On the one hand, this feels rather like a leader – one sold as a ‘mab darogan’ no less – who did not deliver the electoral breakthrough that he promised rapidly moving the goalposts.

Certainly, this idea that Plaid Cymru won without winning is hard to square with the emphasis Adam Price put on what he promised would be breakthrough results for Plaid Cymru before May of last year.

On the other hand, he is no doubt in many ways correct – if the Plaid-Welsh Government cooperation agreement is delivered in full Plaid Cymru will once again have managed, somehow, to get the bulk of what they wanted out of this Senedd term.

As I argued back in May of last year, Plaid Cymru has an uncanny ability to win without winning elections. That article copped some criticism in Labour circles at the time, but their rolling out of the rose-red carpet for half of Plaid Cymru’s manifesto shows that it is once again true.

Mark Drakeford has been so open-handedly generous to Plaid Cymru that some of Welsh Labour’s own MPs have been baffled by it.

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Cymru Sydd and Cymru Fydd

But the reality is that Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru go together like a horse and carriage. Welsh Labour want to win, and are very happy to borrow Plaid Cymru’s ideas to do so. Plaid Cymru meanwhile want their best ideas put into action, and are completely unwilling to compromise on them in order to win votes.

Both in their own way are ‘the party of Wales’ – Welsh Labour the party of Cymry Sydd, Wales as it is, while Plaid are the party of Cymry Fydd, what they see as the future ideal version of it.

And listening to Adam Price’s speech, I got the feeling that Plaid Cymru are, for the moment, quite content with that arrangement, as long as that “Welsh Overton window” keeps shifting.

The speech contained very little detail of how, beyond “dusting ourselves down” and going again, the party was, electorally, going to turn things around.

Instead, there was some vague hope that something would come along – some spark that will awake Wales from its political apathy and deliver a revolution.

Not to be uncharitable to Plaid Cymru, but this is unlikely. Winning will require less nonconformist revival-esque charisma and more of the boring work of figuring out what people want, communicating that message effectively and hoovering up their votes.

That is, meeting the voters where they are not where Plaid Cymru would want them to be. Putting themselves within the Welsh Overton window, rather than shifting it. I.e. the kind of stuff that Plaid Cymru’s leadership or membership has not, as of yet in their 97-year history - for good or ill - shown that much interest in doing.

Harder

The one thing that could break up the present symbiotic relationship between Plaid Cymru and Welsh Labour would be a change at Westminster – to a UK Labour government.

At the moment Labour are able to be a national party in all but name for Wales because Wales is the only nation in which they’re in power.

Mark Drakeford is able to employ the us vs them rhetoric of Welsh nationalism while also claiming the get-out clause that the divide is really Labour v Tory, not Wales v Westminster.

For the first time in a very long time, however, the idea of a UK Labour government seems a little bit more likely.

The Conservatives seem stuck with an unpopular leader, and a Chancellor who the public believes is failing to get to grips with a cost of living crisis.

It’s hard to explain the real-world impact of Brexit or Partygate but if voters can’t pay the bills they’re unlikely to back you at the next General Election.

If Labour does win in 2024 then suddenly it becomes much harder for Welsh Labour to define themselves as Wales' shield against Westminster, a theme they have returned to time and time again since the 2011 Senedd election.

That would leave Plaid Cymru alone in possession once against of a USP – if you’re not happy with how Westminster is treating Wales, give them a bloody nose by voting for us.

It’s worth remembering that it was under a Labour Westminster government that the SNP first formed a Scottish Government in 2007.

Going into a Senedd election in 2025 or 2026 with a Labour government at Westminster would be the key moment for Plaid Cymru, if it is to form a government of its own – and turn a string of ‘moral victories’ into a real electoral one.

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18 comments

Arwyn

There is some truth in this. In 1999 I had high hopes that Plaid could go on to achieve what the SNP themselves did. Sadly it hasn't turned out that way. Plaid have gained a great deal for Wales and our Senedd, even if at Plaid's own cost. I've often wished that a more combative Plaid would take the fight to Welsh Labour and wondered where we might be now had the party taken that path. Regardless, the expansion of the Senedd is required albeit a small step in the right direction. It should also be accompanied by Local Authority reform but, ironically, I doubt the Senedd has the capacity to do that as well in this term. The next key battle as far as I can see it for Wales is to end the so-called "supremacy" of Westminster. If Plaid are to lead where others follow, it would be to bring pressure to bear on Labour in the event that they form the next UK Government. Labour talk the talk on a "Union of equal Nations." Let's push them to walk the walk and deliver constitutional reform that puts Welsh sovereignty over our parliament in Welsh hands. Let's make sure that the Tories can never again undermine our democratically elected Welsh Government. Let's make sure that we will never ever again be in a position where 326 English constituency Tory MP's can eliminate our chosen constitutional settlement with a Westminster vote. That would be of even greater significance than the much needed expansion. The principle that Welsh political power is exercised on behalf of Wales only by our consent and not by Westminster's right.

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Freya

Arwyn, the SNP wins Labour seats and it wins tory seats, it aligns itself with Labour only as a convenient adversary to Westminster in any way it can. I believe the Cymru stance should be the exact opposite. Instead of picking a fight we should work alongside all parties and try and bring everyone into the fold.

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Richard

Plaid remain the most successful “ opposition “ party within these islands….winning the ideas, influencing the agenda and shepherding the labour lambs into the fold. Their move away from traditional local branch activity, events and community campaigns ( in most of Wales ) into policy development, local authority leadership and links to Europe has served Wales well in most cases. Their core army of 800 to 1000 dedicated activists plus sub contracting the “ independence “ campaign to Yes Cymru and others has served to alllow them to be close - so close to to real delivery of key outcomes that might benefit Wales. But as the Maternity nurse they can take pride in their work but only see and not share in the success of the offspring delivered.as young Cymru grows in confidence and strength.

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Y Cymro

Come the next Senedd election Welsh Labour will have been in power for nearly 27 yrs. And yes it can be said that in office their policies have struck a chord with the voting public the reason for their longevity. But surely the Welsh people cannot continue to vote for a party that cannot provide what Wales really needs?. The Welsh Conservatives are basically a waste of political space. They are active antagonists akin to Soviet hackers who interfere like bots Welsh democracy. They are Anti-Welsh pro-England Whitehall overseers who belittle Wales at any opportunity. They are indeed the enemy within. An example of Welsh Tory treachery was when they criticised the Welsh Government effectively renationalising thus saving Cardiff International Airport from certain doo.. Welsh Tory leader Andrew RT Davies attacked the very idea quoting waste of taxpayers money, but oddly they we're mute and compliant when it came to their Conservative masters in London losing £37 billion , yes, £37 billion , on a failed track & trace app recently. The Tories in Wales are abhorrent slimy creatures of the lowest order and should never be allowed anywhere near the reigns of power. Only a Nationalist Welsh Government can really make the change Wales needs. It was Plaid who have always stated the Senedd was too small and needed more Senedd members. Who have always put Wales interests first before itself. And have always championed Wales and its abilities unlike the other Unionist parties who always talk Wales down while promoting a political Union that doesn't even represent our nation. Currently the Tories are attacking the very foundation of our Senedd democracy. We need a Nationalist leader who's not afraid to bite back. To bare his fangs to Whitehall and to say. Enough is enough! Stop this undemocratic Senedd power grab. We in Wales favour home rule by the ballot box, not Whithall direct rule by the back door. Our time will come on day. .

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Dave

As a Welsh Labour member, I like Adam and respect his vision for our country, he realises that it is about winning the idea. #IndyWales is our joint vision for many Welsh Labour voters such as myself, winning is the only way to achieve this, but not in an election in and of itself, but to win the trust of the Welsh people and together both sides can do this. #IndyWales #indyref2

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Arwyn

The next 2 years are critical. Welsh Labour are faced with enormous questions on the constitution and events may outpace the formal consultations you're currently undertaking. If Welsh Labour were to establish themselves as an independent party it would be a game changer. Note Dafydd Iwan's recent comments on this website. If Welsh Labour chooses to be resolutely unionist, then perhaps it will be time for people such as yourself to reconsider your affiliation - the ground might shift either way.

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CJPh

I have no time for the Labour Party leadership, Welsh or otherwise. People like you give me hope for our future. Diolch ac ymlaen i'r gad.

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Fi yn unig

I must pay tribute to all the contributions above on this topic. Barnstorming work. You’ve said all I wanted to and more. Da iawn pawb.

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Grayham Jones

Kick all English party’s out of wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 stop being little Englanders and be proud to be welsh start fighting for your children and grandchildren future in wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 it’s time for a new wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 I was member of Plaid Cymru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 in the 70/80 and we where winning more seats in the council’s then we haven’t moved on since then we are stuck because plaid is to involved with British politics it’s a afraid of upsetting the English people in wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 it’s time for a new party a Free Wales Party I’m a Nationalist first and been fighting for a Free Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 for over 60 years

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CJPh

We all salute your diligence as a poster here, Graham. But, please, it's 'parties'. If it was a one time thing, it'd be fine, but 800 grammatical errors is a bit much.

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Richard

Hands 🙌 of our Grayham His message is simple but clear Honest and Open Yr Ysbryd glân a clîr pob tro….

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Erisian

It's not fair to criticise Graham on a day when he has something new to say and has managed to spell Wales with an uppercase W twice. He's a good bloke - cut him some slack

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AntonJacques

I think in the main, one of the reasons, rightly or wrongly, is Plaids steadfast resolution of the Welsh language. I have spoken to many voters in the past who would not vote for Plaid for this very reason. However, after Thursday night, and a rousing rendition of Yma o Hyd by 30,000 people, there does seem to be a shift. The Welsh language is becoming cool again. And suddenly those no's are becoming maybes. And that is the absolute key in all of this.

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Erisian

It's a heirachy of enemies - Conservatives & Unionists at the top, with an over-mighty sneering England a close second. For now, our enemy's enemy can pass for a useful aquaintance, if not exactly a friend

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Ex Plaid member

Plaid needs to sort out how a small subset of leaders treat grass root members. It does not deserve power at any level until it admits and resolve some very deep rooted problems.

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Richard

A valid point. PC have little current focus on engsging their grass roots and even less on local leader visits around Wales. They do however seem to tick the policy drvelopment boxes and do more than a fair job on local councils

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gaynor jones

Will Plaid led councils put their money where their mouth is - and levy 300% on holiday homes?

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Freya

I see one reason alone as to why Welsh Labour are so open to the ideas of Plaid Cymru. They are worried. They are struggling to get a majority so they are aligning themselves with Plaid to guarantee their success in staying in control. After 27 years, many voters are starting to ask why is the Labour controlled NHS in such trouble, why is Westminster arranging for the army to run ambulances because we cant? Why is poverty still so prevalent, where are the good jobs what are they actually doing in the senedd. I think it is a mistake to cosy up to Labour. If we are serious about an independent Cymru, we need far better from our politicians. A loss is not a win, ever. To call it a win destroys the visionary ideas needed to actually win. I read a lot of comments on here where anyone who votes tory is regarded as some kind of troglodyte, yet right wing politics is popular enough to return a tory MP in places like Bridgend so there must be a lot of caves these days. An independent Cymru must attract people from all walks of life, young, old left and right and it must be filled with hope and vision and have intelligence not pipe dreams and must have at its heart a band of wise souls who are smart enough and brave enough to be honest with where we are and where we need to go.

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It's a heirachy of enemies - Conservatives & Unionists at the top, with an over-mighty sneering England a close second. For now, our enemy's enemy can pass for a useful aquaintance, if not exactly a friend

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