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Where have the all the great Welsh rugby players gone?

By Mark Mansfield
Wales' Alun Wyn Jones celebrates a try against Australia . Photo Joe Giddens PA Images

Evan Wall

Welsh rugby is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The men’s team sit 12th in the World Rankings, while all the regions finished in the lower reaches of the URC. The women’s side, unprofitable and struggling for support, have just been knocked out of the World Cup at the group stage.

Meanwhile, the WRU’s commercial ventures — a hotel and a roof walk at the stadium — are costing money rather than making it. And the final blow? The bureaucrats are preparing to cut two teams altogether.

All these factors indicate that the system is not working. Wales is no longer producing a high standard of rugby, and fans are no longer as interested or engaged as they once were.

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Detached

The crux of these problems is that the heart of Welsh rugby has been detached from the body.

The WRU have detached the game from the clubs and communities that created great players in the past, replacing them with clubs people don't identify with to the same degree.

Subsequently, without the heart of our body, we no longer produce the players we once were able to.

12th in the world rankings (up two from 14th), only two Lions are the headlines.

But the problems run deeper, 10 of the 34 (29%) players in Wales 2025 squad were foreign-born,  meaning they did not come through the Welsh system.

In addition, 11 of the squad play their rugby in the English system. Less than half the Welsh squad were developed by or play within the Welsh domestic system.

This is striking because it shows that the current system and region-centred approach is deeply ineffective.

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Robotic

Also, our better players are those that aren’t Welsh produced. I’m not going to name names because it is a systematic issue, but the homegrown players we see now are not on the same par as those we once produced. They they lack rugby intelligence and spirit. They are too robotic and chiselled.

On the Pontypridd rugby website, this issue is confronted head-on: “C**diff meanwhile are laughing all the way to the bank as they still don't have to develop their own players (the valleys will do that for them), and can now officially, and with WRU approval plunder, the talent from north of Taffs Well to use and abuse as they see fit.”

The new model forced upon Wales by the WRU has not created regions which produce their own players. Rather, they are franchises that take from disempowered clubs and offer very little in return.

An aftereffect is that because the clubs that historically produced Welsh rugby greats have been bundled into the (not so) “Super” Rugby Cymru, they do not produce the same volume or quality of players, nor can possess the same appeal to their communities because it is an uncompetitive league.

The final nail in the coffin is that and decent talent they do produce gets poached by the franchises.

Interest in Welsh rugby (as a sport) has never been so low. Welsh rugby has never produced so little talent or performed so poorly - and the root cause of this plight is the switch to regional rugby.

Pontypridd

Think of some of the last great Welsh players, then consider where they learnt their trade.
Gethin Jenkins, Gareth Thomas, amongst others, were toughened in Pontypridd and Bridgend, not the Cardiff Blues or Celtic Warriors.

Adam Jones, Alun Wyn Jones were both product of Llandovery and Swansea, before they achieved fame at the Ospreys. James Hook and Shane Williams cut their teeth in Neath, before being poached by the Ospreys.

My favourite player, Dan Lydiate did not develop his world beating tackling technique in a gym or in the Dragons academy. His famous chop tackle technique came from grappling with sheep in Llandrindod Wells.

These players were not made by the regions; they were simply on show there and capitalised upon.

These players, whom we all love, and their national team success were not the product of the regional system; rather, they were the last line of production from the old Welsh way of rugby.

In 2011, had it not been for a bad refereeing decision, Wales would’ve won the World Cup (or at very least reached the World Cup final).

Home-grown talent

Even better, this success was fostered off the back of home-grown talent. The poster boy was Rhiwbina and Glamorgan Wanderers Sam Warburton, alongside the sheep Tackling Dan Lydiate.

Great skill and Welsh spirit possessed that team, a side which was robbed of its own greatness. Players such as Mike Phillips, James Hook, Stephen Jones, Shane Williams, Jonathan Davies, Ryan Jones etc were possibly the last class of the old format of Welsh rugby.

Oh, how we lament for the skills of those players who came from clubs that the WRU have abandoned!

It’s no coincidence that since the original Welsh clubs have been cut off and reduced to insignificance, the flow of great Welsh players has almost run dry.

Now, any solution for the current crisis has to see respect and homage paid to  the Welsh way of rugby, before the regions the were created.

Much attention has been paid to the closing of the Welsh fly-half factory, but it seems that our backs and forwards production lines are struggling too. The last line of community born Welsh rugby players (such as AWJ), plucky national results, effective recruitment and flexible nationality rules have all papered over these cracks.

A proud Welshman, Evan Wall is a doctoral Researcher working in the International Politics department of Aberystwyth University. His research focuses on the connections between Welsh and Irish nationalism. He grew up playing rugby in the South Wales Valleys.

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5 comments

Owain

Great read and interesting points to consider!

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simmo

"Wales is no longer producing a high standard of rugby, and fans are no longer as interested or engaged as they once were." - this is an interesting observation I feel there Evan. 40-50 years ago when Wales were in a bloom of talent, it was still an amateur game: smaller players, more space on the park....and likely a spectacle that the viewing public were interested in. When you say "engaged" I feel that is a key word: the viewing public, at that time, could associate with the players on the pitch - teachers, heavy industry etc. So basically the public I think liked the game as a spectacle then... but also, as Wales was doing well on the international stage, then this is something that further chimed - so the 'idea' of the game itself, and the national associations, was something that the public liked from a patriotic stance. I think that there is something with the advent of professionalism that has taken this association away: massive players, suffocating lack of space to play... so a lack of this 'association' with the players on the pitch . Might it be the case that the Welsh public have been starting to dislike the game as a spectacle in the professional age, but continue loyally following it through the 'idea' of the game historically?

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Rhys Owen Willials.

Totally agree Union these days is like league in the 60's bash bash bang wallop and as for lifting in the line out

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J Jones

Corrections: "replaced them with clubs" - no they were replaced by 'regions' though their recent failures have coincided with some of them trying to re-brand as clubs. "Adam Jones" has never played for "Llandovery". "James Hook and Shane Williams" were not "poached by the Ospreys". Players have clubs and regions, so automatically progress as they develop. Poaching was a term of approaching and transferring players from other clubs, so you could say Neath poached them from Aberavon Quins and Amman Utd respectively. The 4 (or was it 5) pro franchises failed because a small number of clubs (Pontypridd included) vetoed the full provincial system in favour of the their mess of stand alones and mergers of rival clubs. This inevitable continued the club bias and parochialism. Unfortunately I doubt that Wales 'fans' have real concerns about where the players come from these days, as suggested. A native home grown Wales football team would have to book time off work as they're too bad to give up the day job, hence the recruitment of players from England on Thursday, arrive in Wales on Friday to learn the anthem, then play for the team on Saturday.

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J Jones

You can pinpoint the problem in the first two words of this article; Welsh rugby. But what is 'Welsh rugby'? Is it your parents buying you your first ball to play in the garden, then playing with mates down the park, parents or grandparents taking you down the club for coaching, rugby at school where you're taught the sport, getting selected for the school team with the best players, supporting your club 1st XV even if you're not yet good enough, trying to be the best in your age group with representative rugby and beyond, putting your name down for international tickets, supporting your country that has defeated every other nation on the planet, but remembering how we're a very small impoverished nation that cannot win every match when sport is increasingly decided by money. Unfortunately for many the above does not apply. Because Welsh rugby is now about you and only you, driven by bitter envy if it's others. You play computer games and do social media instead of playing rugby, you're then not that good so get some fluorescent boots and a quirky hairdo, if you're still not noticed it's the coaches or selectors fault, if you're team loses it's the ref, if you're club loses it's because a bigger club has attracted better players, you complain that provincial rugby didn't happen despite it being because your club wanted its own pro franchise, you complain that pro franchises went elsewhere because your club at the time was effectively bankrupt. Your social media is a bit bland lately so you buy an international tickets with front seats so your fancy dress outfit may get you on the telly, or if not do your own TikTok dance for your own channel. You celebrate if WE win but complain about everyone else if THEY lose. That is the problem with 'Welsh rugby' and also the problem with the country.

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