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Opinion

Welsh rugby needs a new goal

By Molly Stubbs
Foggy dawn on the rugby pitch

Evan Wall

My hope for meaningful change to the governance of Welsh rugby has all but disappeared. My faith in the current leadership of the WRU has disintegrated. It’s quite clear now that the leadership of the WRU is not going to do anything radical (even if they use this word) or change the future structure to anything other than a smaller-scale version of what we already have.

However, in lamenting the current situation, I have thought of a solution that may perhaps represent a middle ground between those who believe regional rugby is the way forward (those in charge) and those of us who believe prioritising the domestic game in Wales should be a higher priority.

With the potential dropping of one regional team in Wales (most likely the Ospreys at this stage), more funding will be available for the clubs in the Super Rygbi Cymru. However, significantly, there will also be one less Welsh club place for European competitions.

Yet, rather than one less place for Wales, there could be an introduction of a system where the winner of the Super Rygbi Cymru gains a place in the European Challenge Cup.

I believe a place in the Champions Cup would currently be a step too far; the gulf in standard and quality is far too great. But a top Welsh domestic team familiar with winning and high on confidence would most definitely hold their own and compete reasonably well in the European Challenge cup. Undoubtedly, the prospect of European rugby for traditional Welsh clubs would draw new record crowds for them. From a business perspective too, this would be a very desirable situation.

As things stand, the Super Rygbi Cymru still faces its current problem that it is a league with nothing at stake. With no real competition, players aren’t going to significantly improve because it is competition that drives a rise in standard -- especially when we desire players of world-class standard.

Additionally, without anything meaningful to play for, there is very little to fascinate and draw fans into the grounds. Especially in the context of “elite rugby” (a debatable term for our regions) being available with the regions in the same geographical areas. As it stands, there is very little incentive for players or fans in Wales’ domestic rugby structure. But the proposition of a European spot for these clubs could signify a turning tide.

The swapping of the 4th European Welsh place from the 4th region to the winner of the Super Rygbi Cymru would change everything. Every player in the Super Rygbi Cymru would be completely driven to fight tooth and nail for their club, knowing that success in the domestic league would lead them to play European rugby.

Whether it would be Pontypool, Carmarthen, Llandovery, Ebbw Vale, or Cardiff, players would be chewing at the bit to play for these clubs and grounds would be sold out on European nights.

For the domestic league itself, for fans in the West, it would perhaps be a thousand times more exciting to follow clubs such as Llandovery or Carmarthen, knowing that success in the domestic league could lead to their local teams playing on a European scale. It would boost every measurable demographic that is available for the Super Rygbi Cymru. It can only be a good thing; a rare instance of low-risk high-reward change in Welsh rugby.

This would be a small but almost revolutionary change for the domestic game in Wales. Finally, it would provide a chance for Welsh clubs to break free from the WRU-built cage within which they currently live. It would allow clubs like Llandovery, Newport, and Pontypridd to finally compete with the regions and play matches with teams from outside of Wales.

It would be such a small change for those who are governing the game, yet it could also plug the void left by the dismantling of a region. If the WRU’s top dogs can’t see the good in this, or if they do not possess the ability to administer such a change, then there truly is no hope for Welsh rugby.

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Andrew Thomas's

Great idea time to ditch the three feathers as well and a new dragon badge

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Dai

No dragon. I'd like the leek but the three feathers belongs to the likes of Cliff Morgan, Gareth Edwards, Jonathan Davies and Alun Wyn Jones. It's a Welsh symbol now - even if the PoW title should be abolished.

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CapM

The three feathers are the 'badge' of the Duke of Cornwall and nothing to do with Wales never mind Cymru. Some time after the automatic inheritance of the Duchy of Cornwall a male heir apparent to the throne of England is usually given the title Prince of Wales. BUT the heir apparent already has the right to the three feathers badge so it cannot be something connected with the Prince of Wales title. Wales is not included on the Union Jack or Coat of Arms of the UK. So in order to make us feel included in project English monarchy the three feathers are used by the royal family as a sop.

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Dai

Nahah, te 'tair pluen' belong to all the boys who've represented us at rugby over the years. It looks good, we'll keep it and claim it for ourselves... plus think of all the old fellas with the badge tattooed on them, mun! I'm pro-independence and don't care for England's royal family... but I don't think we need a red dragon on everything.

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CapM

Thing is we don't need to claim anything we have our own national emblem - the leek. Rose, Thistle, Shamrock, Cockerel, Silver Fern, Springbok..... Can you spot the pattern? We ended up with three ostrich feathers and a German motto Ich Dien [thankfully the German bit was quietly dropped by the WRU a few years ago].because of the sycophancy and timidity of the initial founders of the WRU. Unlike the leek emblem which belongs to us all the 'tair pluen' only belong to whoever is the Duke of Cornwall. It is by his largesse that they can be used by anyone else. Resistance to change is unfortunately a significant trait in the small c conservative rugby world in Cymru. The I'm used to it, I like it that way stance has shown itself to not really be in our best rugby interests.

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Dai Rugby

Got to kick Cardiff out of SRC if this is the case unless we want a ridiculous spectacle of Cardiff playing in the challenge cup with 2 teams

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Andrew Thomas's

Well spotted Dai I hadn't thought of that and what about feeder teams, will the same players play for two teams in the same competition? Cardiff obviously Llandovery and the Scarlets?

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J Jones

Article started well with the obvious pre-requisite in the removal of the current WRU hierarchy, before the next evolution required for our national team can even begin. These unelected and unqualified individuals are either oblivious to their incompetence, or even worse, a continuation of the sinister sabotage take-over by the English in 2023. Unfortunately the article then plummets into merely proving that the failure in our society is causing the current failure of our national team. A society that knows more about 'talentless shows than team sports', where demanding undeserved attention takes the place of supporting our national sport in any way regardless of reward. Our domestic club game was tried and failed in professional rugby, whether is be the sub 1,000 crowds that watched the likes of Swansea playing Pontypridd, or the cricket scores conceded in Europe, before we decided on the 4 pro teams that brought the 2005-2021 4th golden. This era did come to an end with Covid and individuals in England rugby not missing the 'opportunity that comes from a disaster, as they've stated. But the largest failure of our 'regions' was the covert stand alone clubs demanding their little entities were more important than half the country which they soon excluded from pro rugby. The two stand-alone club franchises have either gone back to the WRU or going to the House of Fantasy, the latter demanding that the 40,000 people in Llanelli has a WRU funded pro team, because in their own words 'we need it cos' the town is so skint'. So instead of Llanelli failing, we are now proposed a club such as Llandovery is thrown into pro competition, a town with a population of a couple of thousand where the rugby club has to bring in over 95% of players from outside, with tiny crowds meaning the club relies on being a summer campsite to pay the bills. But hey, like the talentless shows of today, why stop anyone having their 80 minutes of fame, as long as they get the attention the crave they won't mind making a complete and utter fool of themselves.

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J Jones

Having 4 pro teams was to bring success to the national team, so after 20 years we've won 4 Grand Slams, 6 European Six Nations titles, twice in the last weekend of RWC and a No 1 raking in World Rugby by the governing body itself. Not exactly an abysmal failure! After 60+ plus defeats to a tiny neighbour, I can understand why the English wanted to undermine and then take over the WRU, but to many it's brought more shame on them than those 60+ defeats. Maybe if Plaid Cymru win the election in 6 months we'll have a full investigation into the scandal and another reason to one day have our own passports.

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Dai

Super Rygbi Cymru is great, I love watching the games on S4C's YouTube channel and it should get more media attention... but the idea of semi-pro clubs playing European rugby is unrealistic

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CymroDownUnder

I like the idea, but the WRU and regions will be against any proposal that could undermine the regions. We had the British and Irish Cup for a few seasons, which was great. Ponty had 5,000+ crowds for games against Leinster A and Bristol (when at the time they were in the English Championship). We took hundreds of fans to games across the UK and Ireland, but then the WRU decided to strip that away from clubs and place regional 'A' sides in there instead. The WRU have done nothing but try and kill off any support that clubs have had over the last 20 or so years. I would love to see that change, but I won't hold my breath.

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Well spotted Dai I hadn't thought of that and what about feeder teams, will the same players play for two teams in the same competition? Cardiff obviously Llandovery and the Scarlets?

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