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Welsh Europeans must stand with Ukraine - their fight is our fight too

By NationCymru
Russian tank in Ukraine. outube stream of the STRC Ukrainian television and radio broadcasting. Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license.

Neil Schofield Hughes

For those of us who consider ourselves European, this is a desperately dark day. An illegal war of aggression is launched against a European democracy, by a power denying that country’s right to exist: it strikes at the heart of the very idea of liberal democracy.

And for we who have been part of the general European movement in Britain - who opposed Brexit, who see the catastrophe that Brexit was always going to be unfolding before us, and who argue that we must remain close to the EU and one day return - it is a reminder that Europe is far more than the 27 Member States of the European Union.

At the same time, we need to understand the links between Putin’s aggression against Ukraine and the history of Brexit. We need to remember the close ties between the British Right and Putin’s Russia (and how far the pro-Brexit Left was driven by a sort of post-Soviet nostalgia - the latter-day 'tankies' who make excuses for Putin now just as they did for the Soviet Union that invaded Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968).

And we need to recollect how the campaign to leave the EU was funded, and how many of those involved in that campaign have taken to social media in recent days to defend Russia’s aggression against Ukraine; and to understand - it’s a matter of public record - how far the Conservative Party that delivered Brexit is awash with Russian money.

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Brexit and the attack on Ukraine have the same roots - ideological, financial and practical. Brexit was part of Putin’s strategy to destabilise the West, to undermine its ability to resist Putin’s imperial ambitions. And, with Boris Johnson unveiling a sanctions policy that essentially signals to Russian money that London remains open for business, who is to argue that he has not succeeded?

Europeans in Wales and beyond must join the dots. Brexit and the attack on Ukraine are inextricably linked (and Westminster politicians who talk about “making Brexit work” should reflect on the ideological nature of the project they - no doubt inadvertently - are appeasing).

The attack on Ukraine is an attack on every European. The European Union remains the most successful peace project in modern history: the values of the EU, set out in the Lisbon Treaty, of democracy, internationalism and freedom of expression; those are the values that aggression against Ukraine violates.

Ukraine’s fight is our fight too.

Neil Schofield Hughes is Chair of Cardiff For Europe, a board member of Wales for Europe, and one of Wales’ representatives on the National Council of the UK European Movement. The piece is written in a personal capacity.

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39 comments

Mab Meirion

My other half has just handed me her copy of Oswald Spengler's The Decline of the West... I'll be back in a week or so...

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I.Humphrys

*BREAKING: Ukraine helicopter has landed in Gonial, Belarus carrying delegation for talks with the Russians. Cross fingers and toes .nd light candles for a resulting peace!* 28.2.2022. 13:53 local time.

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I.Humphrys

Ukraine delegation perhaps headed by Ukraine first president Leonid Kravchuk so that's a plus, though he must report to Pres. Zelensky, so we can only pray. Other: Racisim again at the Polish and other borders, with brown and black people fleeing the fighting being held back until Ukranians recieve clearance. I have no moral pose on this issue, just that when push comes to shove?

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Kerry Davies

Neil, do you not think you are a tad late to this party? Had the Western powers implemented the Minsk Agreement they signed up to we may never have got here. The withdrawal of foreign troops from Ukraine, withdrawal of heavy weapons from borders and monitoring of the ceasefire never happened and the West, especially the US and UK re-armed Ukraine. Putin is not a nice man but we aren't exactly blameless here either. Just to add that a Russian sniper, armed with a British rifle firing British ammo is almost indistinguishable from a Ukrainian sniper shooting British bammo back from a British weapon. Especially as they both almost certainly speak Russian as their first language.

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Steve Duggan

Where is your proof the government in Kiev has been supporting neonazi groups? Or are you just believing the Russian propaganda ? Neonazis influence or not - there is no justification for invasion.

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Dafydd ap Robart

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

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Steve Duggan

We are all Europeans - no matter what the hard line Brexiteers say. Russia - under Putin - may currently be the threat but there is a bigger threat on the horizon - China. We have to be united and strong to meet this threat. My hope is that one day Wales will join the EU as a separate country. When it does it will benefit immensely from the economic and military cooperation.

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Captainmidnight

My hope is that one day you will accept democracy and stop banging on about a done deal. There is no point in exchanging rule from Westminster with rule from Brussels. Wales needs to be run by the Welsh. Either way though you are distracting from the current imperative that the whole free world should stand against Putin.

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Steve Duggan

Wales and the UK was never ruled by Brussels - and you know it. We had an option to abide by EU rules or ignore them, every EU law was ratified by Westminster first. Since when has this issue been cast in stone for eternity? It certainly wasn't in '75 for the leave campaign so why should it be for those who want co-operation with Europe and not isolation now? Has Wales benefited from Brexit - we all know it has not and regardless of the vote that is not fair on a nation already extremely poor.

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Richard

Better than Putin 🇷🇺 rule I guess

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Quornby

I basically agree Steve, but one glimmer of hope is that China as a manufacturing country needs the US and EU markets so won't bale out Russia's Hitler for ever. Meanwhile in the UK...... what a time to have an imbecile in Downing Street!

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Leigh Richards

Ahem.....you sure about that? 😉 https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2020/02/mr-jones-how-welsh-journalist-exposed-horror-stalin-s-ukraine-0

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Leigh Richards

The Ukraine president's parents were jewish, and some of his family members were murdered by the nazis during the holocaust. Of all the lies spewed out by Putin's propaganda regime in recent times that charge against Zelensky is the most despicable. https://newsdirect.com/news/president-zelensky-of-ukraine-pays-tribute-to-the-babyn-yar-massacre-victims-at-the-united-states-holocaust-memorial-museum-425278312

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Captainmidnight

Again people who do not believe in democracy are distracting from the main issue, which has nothing to do with Brexit. All of the free world must stand against Putin's imperial expansionism. If we do not stand together there will be no free world, EU or otherwise.

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Cynan

What has Brexit to do with democracy, when so many Brexiteers wish to overturn two referendums confirming self rule for Cymru. We need no leadership from England on this (what we've never had, we don't miss). Our leader makes relevant statements. Yours mouths weak kneed tokenism and faux Churchillian pronouncements about things he has no influence over

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Cynan

The violence started when Ethnic Russian separatists in the east, supplemented by Russian soldiers "on holiday" carried out a joint attack on Ukraine, supported by Russia ever since. Nobody believe Russia or their shills any more. It is a terrorist state

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Cynan

Divide and conquer, eh shill? Sorry, not buyng the line of EngNat Putin shills today

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hdavies15

So when are you off to the front line then ? All this stuff about putting up the "strongest possible front" against Russia is just another yawn inducing posture. 30 years of pussy footing got us to this place today. EU and other globalists pandered to Russia for resources, and pandered to China for cheap labour while on the home front we de-industrialised and just got heavily engaged in studying our own belly buttons and can't tell one gender from another without someone taking offence. Having a proxy war with Russia over Ukraine will not end well as someone will make a mistake and it will escalate. How many of NATO's members are really ready for a conflict that calls on their troops to engage with the enemy ? or will they try to shuffle the US into the front row with daft old UK going along for the ride and the others cheering on but not taking losses until Putin arrives in Berlin or Paris ?. The arms industry will be chuffed, in fact they are already doing OK out of Boris lobbing aid to Ukraine. And that shill remark is pretty shoddy. People should be free to express themselves on matters like this. Or are you part of the severe orthodoxist mind set that is engulfing our politics too ? Not so different to Putin then, are you ?.

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Captainmidnight

I can imagine few current world leaders who are closer to Nazism than Putin.

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Richard

I can think of a few Fascist mates for Putin and Co… The leaders of 🇰🇵 , Syria 🇸🇾 and 🇧🇾 and 🇲🇲 - oh wern’t they the 4 who voted with Putin at the UN?

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Rob

So if Marine Le Pen wins the election and starts persecuting ethnic minorities, do we have the right to invade & annex parts of France? How about the extremism that exists in Russia? Granted they lost more than anyone else to the Nazis, however Eastern Europeans suffered for decades under Communism, millions of Ukrainians died under Stalin's regime. Yet there are still some Russians today who see him as a national hero. Germany has atoned for its past, has Russia?

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Rob

This is the United Nations Charter of 1945 “All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.” If Russia gets away with this then what kind of a precedent does that set for International Relations? Will China annex Taiwan, would boundary disputes between India and Pakistan intensify? The International Order will be flushed down the toilet. Those who argue that Eastern Ukraine is Russian speaking or ethnically Russian, does this mean that Mexico could annex Texas or New Mexico because they have a Hispanic, Spanish speaking population, which was formerly Mexican territory? Could Boris invade the Irish Republic because they are predominantly English speaking and used to be part of the UK. Ukraine overwhelmingly voted for Independence in 1991, and that included all regions including Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk. Furthermore Russia instigated the Bolovezh Accords which collapsed the Soviet Union, this is kind of like England declaring its independence from the United Kingdom and then trying to annex Wales afterwards.

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I.Humphrys

One now hears western leaders talking about Minsk 2, but when the Russians were banging on about it none of them took any notice. Similarly with the Nato (ie USA) expansion East. President Macron lately tried, but the Berlin conference collapsed because Zelensky refused to budge, as was his right, of course. But he was lead to believe the West would back him, but they took him up an alley, and left him there. Ukraine may survive if it chooses neutrality. Let us hope it does.

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hdavies15

Wise counsel. Nothing stopping them promoting military neutrality while engaging with EU on markets. It will be a harder sell now because of the damage done to date but worth aiming for it.

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Quornby

I am outraged that the UK media are reporting the Hitler like ravings of Putin. It's like giving airtime to a serial killer.

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Quornby

Just heard that there will be a £50,000 limit on UK Bank deposits by Russians. £50k!!!! Why not zero????? If I felt any loyalty to London I'd hang my head in shame.

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hdavies15

Boris thinks £50k is small change. Shows how much in touch with Russian kleptocrats thinking he is, but how remote he is from us the common herd.

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Pob lwc

Just an England wouldn't get to decide on an independent Wales' future security arrangements, so too Russia does not get to decide on Ukraine's security arrangements. It is not up to Russia whether Ukraine has an army. It is not up to Russia whether Ukraine joins the EU. It is not up to Russia whether Ukraine joins NATO. It's no surprise you're shilling for Putin, hdavies15. Like him, you're a nasty ethnonationalist, and like him you're a landlord parasite.

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hdavies15

A little something you might better understand - Oink Oink Grunt Grunt, Oik

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Richard

Russia 🇷🇺 Troll Alert 🚨 ✅

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Richard

Putin Troll 🚨 🇷🇺

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Pob lwc

Welsh Nat commenters on this website are shilling for an Imperial ethnonationalist state invading its neighbour, which claims that it "should never have become a nation" and belongs to them. Irony is officially dead.

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Richard

😈—🇷🇺—-Troll alert 🚨

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Richard

Well comrade 🇷🇺- if you knew our country 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿you would know we have long standing cultural links to Ukraine 🇺🇦 / both in north eastern Wales based around our international eisteddfod in Llangollen - every year since 1948 / also Rhyl and Prestatyn on our northern coast where dozens of young people from Chernobyl each year visit local families and schools plus give concerts. Again if you knew a little about our history you will see econmic and sporting partnerdhips.

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Malcolmrj

Could the reason be that the British media don't cover any events of that kind that goes on in Wales. And many people in whole of the British empire don't know what goes on in Wales say no more

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Richard

Troll 😱🇷🇺 Alert 🚨

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Richard

You need to get updated policy info comrade 🇷🇺

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CrisCymru

The Ukrainians are massacring the Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk, both republics are in the east of Ukraine, don't get caught up with western propaganda, check out the truth of what is really happening in Ukraine. Its the Ukrainians who are committing genocide.

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