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The Rojava revolution is under siege: The Welsh left must respond

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vicky moller

I heard the same admiration for this movement from felix padell, eminent writer based in India and Wales and campaigner who enabled the ardivasi to oust Tata Steel in Orissa, to a modest extent. Thanks for this call for our support

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Lewis Owen

You're welcome. Thanks for your kind words.

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JR Humphreys

No foreign entanglements!

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Lewis Owen

Where exactly in the article did I suggest military intervention?

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JR Humphreys

Of any kind.

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Benjiman L. Angwin

While I support an independent Kurdistan, more along the proposed Iraq-Kurdish model mind, and believe the West should be arming Kurds, I disagree with the use of the word ‘progressives’ and ‘progressive’ in this article. It has a sanctimonious and self-righteous tinge, because using ‘progressive’ in this context insinuates 2 things. 1. That there is end goal driven by the political Left that we agree we are moving towards. I do not consent my agreement to this redefinition of the word progressive. 2. That any one who disagrees with this end goal may be branded ‘regressive’ by the implied and altered definition of ‘progressive’, enabling justified hostility and gradual social ostrisation of opposition by means of redefining social norms to pursue a political agenda. Long live the Kurds, but not the redefinition of the word ‘progressive’ so that it is used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with the socialist Left.

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Wrexhamian

You're right, Ben. The word 'progressive' stuck out like a sore thumb. Self-congratulatory and very student-like from another era.

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Lewis Owen

Hi Wrexhamian, thanks for your constructive feedback. Which word would you suggest substituting for 'progressive' in the article? Incidentally, I am actually a current history student, so maybe your description of my prose style as 'very student-like from another era' is apt!

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Wrexhamian

Dim trosedd, Lewis, it's just that the word 'progressive' seems a little meaningless in such a context. Any group that advocates change can go around call itself progressive, including the BNP. I also think that 'left' and 'right' are likewise throwbacks that have little validity in much of modern politics. But the Kurdish cause is a morally just one, and I think most Welsh people (myself included) would be on their side in their struggle for national self-determination. We're now seeing the Turkish government in its true colours.

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Trailorboy

A very disturbing article - thanks for bringing the idea of a socialist caliphate to our attention. Too many are playing these types of games in Syria. I have great respect for the Kurds and their long struggle for a state, but beyond that this ideological meddling is no better than the origins and intentions of IS.

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Red Dragon Jim

I completely agree with it but it is spoilt by the snipe at Catalonia. The "centre-right administration" is a coalition between liberal democrats and socialists, with parliamentary support from an anti-capitalist party. "Disgruntlement about subsidising deprived regions". They're in jail for goodness sake! They're in exile and have been arrested! Catalonia has lived under fascist dictatorship in living memory! My support for Rojava does not depend on this article, thankfully. But I won't be getting involved with anything which attacks the Catalans. This stinks of the Brit Left. The Catalans are in jail but because they built a decent economy post-dictatorship they're "not really oppressed".

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Lewis Owen

Thanks for your response. Without wishing to get bogged down in a lengthy debate on the Catalan issue (which has been covered extensively already in Nation.Cymru), I'd just like to pick up on a few points you made: 1. You are right when you say that the pro-independence coalition in the Generalitat, Junts pel Si, is a coalition that does include some parties that may be defined as 'socialist' or 'social-democratic'. That said, I think you overstate the broader influence of the left within the grouping (particularly since the departure of the Republican Left of Catalonia during the run-up to the 2017 elections), which is dominated by Puigdemont's centre-right PDeCat. By any measure, I think you'd be extremely hard-pressed to justify placing his party's ideology on the left of the political spectrum, and his economic policies in particular do not seem to align with Wood's socialist style of leadership. 2. This leads me on to the underlying motives that have driven the independist agenda in recent years. Obviously, depending on how broad a chronological lens you may wish to adopt, there are a range of diverse factors that could be attributed to the rise of Catalan nationalism. However, based on the fallout from the 2010 Statute of Autonomy court judgement, the impact of the global recession on the rest of Spain and the nature of the rhetoric deployed by some separatist supporters during the 2017 referendum itself, I would argue that one of the most influential catalysts for the very recent upsurge in support for independence has been the 'sense of economic disgruntlement' that I mentioned in the article (which, crucially, has converted large swathes of the Catalan centre and centre-right to the cause of independence for the first time). At no point in the article did I dispute the authoritarian nature of the Spanish state's response, nor indeed do I wish to deny the Catalan people their right to self-determination. I have been very critical of Rajoy's handling of the crisis in the past, and I believe that the best way to resolve this current impasse between the governments of Madrid and Barcelona would be to authorise a free and fair referendum. 3. If my interpretation of the Catalan question spoils the article for you (which is a shame, considering how it's only mentioned very briefly), then I'm afraid your 'Brit Left' jibe taints your comment for me (not that I fully understand the connotations of the insult. Are you accusing me of being a Unionist sympathiser? If so, you are very much mistaken). I am not opposed to nationalist movements per se, and, as I'm sure the article makes abundantly clear, I'm certainly no fan of overly centralised states that drive roughshod over localist desires for self-governance. As a socialist (and my article was directed towards a socialist or left-leaning audience), I'm simply wary of the particular dimensions of the present Catalan independence movement. That said, I'm glad that you agree with the rest of the article, and I hope you'll be able to overlook our disagreements on Catalonia enough to get involved with the Wales-Rojava Solidarity Network!

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Red Dragon Jim

OK, some good points there. You are wrong about Puigdemont who is effectively a liberal democrat. I spent a period of my life visiting Catalonia regularly and under his predecessors it was hardly a neoliberal nightmare, and easily a more social state than Britain. But it is a pointless debate. I think really your inclusion of Catalonia in the article was not necessary, but we move on.

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Lewis Owen

@TrailorBoy You find an article describing a democratic movement that seeks to promote the rights of women and ethnic minorities to be 'disturbing'? Fair enough, but I think that you might feel more at home on the Daily Mail message boards in that case. Your interpretation of the term 'caliphate' is rather baffling too: a 'caliphate' refers to a specifically theocratic form of government that is based on Sharia Islamic law. As a self-declared secular entity, which has spent most of its existence leading the fight against a hostile caliphate, none of those characteristics remotely apply to the DFNS. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're well aware of this already, and that you're simply seeking to make a deliberately inflammatory (but ultimately fatuous) remark that are an inherent feature of political discourse these days. That much is clear when you seek to draw some kind of moral equivalence between Daesh and the DFNS. Thank you for your feedback though!

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Trailorboy

Lewis my objection to this article, was that it was a rallying call to the Welsh Left to support fellow socialists in Syria. I found the history of Spain to be equally offensive in that respect - it was not our fight, we have no moral high ground on which to preach to others what is right and wrong and we should not have become involved. In my mind the spreading and nurturing our beliefs and ideologies in other countries is wrong - I also disagree the notion that we should spread democracy and everything else, in the believe that these are just causes and fundamental human rights. I see no distinction in our almost religious belief that we are right and the actual religious beliefs of muslims and others who also seek to espouse their own causes - in their eyes these are also considered by to be just and right. I am not implying that there is equivalence of brutality, far from it, just that we seem to have a missionary zeal to impose our ideas on other countries and I find that offensive. We are not the right and just arbiters of world affairs and should not promote and aid in the supporting of groups looking to take control of other countries. I believe that the US, EU and the UN have acted reprehensibly in Syria, supporting rebel factions and groups, in much the same way as neighbouring countries in the area have also fiddled and played out this proxy war. It was perfectly correct to be critical of Assad and the Syrian government at the outset - it was reprehensible to support groups to overthrow it. We have blood on our hands and I do not want us to continue suporting rebel groups and other elements - simple and far from a Daily Mail perspective I would imagine, where commentators would no doubt be very happy to see everyone bombing the hell out of everyone else, hoping that ultimately we'll end up with a nice westernised democracy or in this case some sort of socialist utopia.

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Lewis Owen

Hi Trailorboy, thanks for your response. I take issue with your assertion that the article calls for us to 'impose our ideas on other countries'. Given the fact that I have already described the grassroots nature of the Rojava Revolution and how it has been directed by local councils of Kurds and other ethnic minorities in the region, I find this accusation to be rather strange. You are absolutely right to criticize the conduct of the US and other Western powers during the Syrian conflict (particularly in terms of their support towards a number of rather dubious groups within the official Syrian opposition), but I don't see how this should discourage us from expressing our solidarity with the DFNS and to condemn Turkish intervention in the region.

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Lewis Owen

@Benjiman A far more considered critique. Thank you! I understand your reservations towards the use of the term 'progressive', and perhaps I should have been more nuanced in that regard. That said, I do think that, within a fundamental, humanistic context, the 'progressive-reactionary' dichotomy is broadly applicable in the case of the respective treatment of women and ethnic minorities by the DFNS and Daesh.

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Benjiman L. Angwin

Diolch.

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Fabra

It is untrue to say that Plaid Cymru have been silent on the Kurdish issue. Plaid has been working closely with members of the Welsh Kurdish community, frequently send representatives to their events, and have invited them to conferences. Jonathan Edwards also frequently speaks about the Kurdish issue in the UK parliament, despite them only having 4 MPs. Plaid Ifanc has a strong relationship with Kurdish organisations too and has been one of the only organisations to demand that the EU takes the PKK off its list of terror organisations. And it is far easier for Leanne Wood to meet Puigdemont in Brussels than it is for her to go to Rojava, Afrin or Diarbakyir. http://www2.partyof.wales/kurdistan_ref http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2017-19/182/ https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2017-19/451 http://www.plaidifanc.org/en/2018/02/20/take-a-stand-for-the-kurds-in-afrin/ http://www.plaidifanc.org/en/2015/02/06/plaid-cymru-youth-calls-for-the-pkk-to-be-removed-from-the-eus-terror-list/

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Lewis Owen

Hi Fabra, thanks for your comment. I did apologise for my oversight in neglecting to mention Jonathan Edwards' contributions on the Nation.Cymru Facebook group, though in my defence this article was actually written before he raised the particular issue of the Afrin offensive in Parliament. Also, most of the links you've supplied here are in reference to the Kurdistan independence vote in Iraq: as I mention in the article, it is very important to distinguish between the KRG in Iraqi Kurdistan and the DFNS in Northern Syria, which have pursued very different ideological agendas in recent years, often leading to strained relations between the two.

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