The barriers to Plaid Cymru's success are bigger than any change of leader can surmount

Leanne Wood did not - repeat NOT - threaten to quit Plaid's Senedd group during the last term if she didn't get her own way on a disciplinary matter. She is in no way responsible for her own electoral debacle and the damage caused to the campaign in Cardiff.

Totally agree changing the leader now would be both pointless and a mistake. Plaid's result in may was on a par with their performance in every other senedd election (the extraordinary result in '99 excepted). Also May's elections have to be seen thru the prism of the worst pandemic in our lifetimes, and it's impossible to know what effect this had on the final result (but anecdotal evidence suggests it helped mark drakeford and his party). But where i think the party has made a big mistake is in not appointing a interim leader while Adam's on paternity leave. Right now the british state is engulfed by arguably its most serious foreign policy crisis in our lifetimes - and we (plaid) dont have a leader to press home criticisms of the clueless johnson and raab et al. Not having a stand-in leader smacks of real amateurishness.

Adam Price as leader is not the problem, His tenure has managed to clear out Neil McEvoy ( is he a nationalist or just a self promotion machine ?), who was toxic to brand Plaid, seen off AWA, UKIP. Plaid Problem is regretfully Leanne Wood and her ready interjection on seemingly every UK issue, but avoiding the big issue which is that Wales has no legitimancy in the World until Independence. Adam Price advanced towards that legitimancy with the manifesto pledge for a referendum , and a move towards what is in essence will be a ‘muscular nationalism’, Events have shown that Yescymru was blocked by the labour factions to endorse Plaid at the senedd election, the real question now is for Plaid members is whether support and membership of Yescymru is benefical for Plaid Member and would their energy be better served within Plaid’s own campaign.

I think PC might be best served by looking out rather than in. It is probably the most successful opposing rather than opposition party in the U.K. It sets many Wales agenda items , develops ideas and gathers many disparate and talented individuals to move things along.together. It’s sad lack of local organisation these days however does not reflect a public dislike of it - but rather varying set of views from the Welsh public around specific issues or policies.

Plaid will continue to pay the price for doubling down on the wrong side of the Brexit electorate, for DECADES to come. Damaged goods, I'm afraid!

They will always, always be seen as the party of middle class Welsh speakers. But with the ethnic cleansing of the traditional heartlands, and indigenous Welsh having long fled Wales for work opportunities or at best, the left-wing bastions of Grangetown, they have lost their power base. Plaid's terminal decline started with Leanne Wood and Adam was the nail in the coffin. The man lives on another planet and simply doesn't have the interest of the majority of Welsh people at heart. He still has the anti-Thatcher strike mindset, still sees the EU as saviour ... So out of touch. No one under 45 remembers an industrial Wales or any coal pit when they were in operation. Move on and move aside Adam Bach. Become more like Gwlad and become a real party for real Welsh people.

I think that the problem is that a lot of non-Welsh speakers would never vote for Plaid because they are perceived as the party of the Welsh language. Someone from Newport, for example, could be left wing and agree with Plaid's policies, but they may have had an experience where they felt as though they were placed as an outsider, effectively denied of their own right to be Welsh and to assert that identity. When it comes to the ballot box, this is what holds them back, and they vote Labour. Our greatest chance of gaining independence is for the Welsh Labour party to come to its senses and change its stance.

For us mere mortals who thirst for a sovereign Wales there is one simple rule. Only vote for Indy supporting parties. Not bandwagon Indy hinting parties but real patriotic parties. That narrows our choice right now does it not? Having some airy fairy personal if and but agenda will gain us nothing, only big battalions win. For us that means a broad church party that has a machine.

Plaid members were so desperate to ditch Leanne Wood that they made the wrong choice in Adam Price. But who else is there in Plaid Cymru?

For all the doom mongers' attitudes and predictions, the 99 Welsh General Election aside, Plaid Cymru are pretty much where they have always been in the era of devolution and that's not bad, it just isn't particularly good either. However, the fact that Plaid have maintained their overall position is something of an achievement in of itself when you take into account all the obstacles they have had to overcome. These are, but not limited to, the UK wide media's obsession with the Labour/Tory political establishment, being labelled a Welsh language and/or middle class party, bickering between the regional cliques and a failure to maintain consistent realistic messaging about a route to independence. Plaid Cymru are in a prime position with a growing Welsh based media to challenge the Labour/Tory Duopoly in Wales and build a consensus around a medium term approach to the aim of an independent Wales.

What we need is a very charismatic person to come along and united all the warring fractions plus have a broad appeal with the general public.I'm not a big Labour fan but it was the charisma of Tony Blair that kept the Tories out for 13 years, if he hadn't been leader I'm pretty sure thay wouldn't have been in power half as long. Charisma wins hearts regardless of the persons abilities.

Can somebody please tell me why PC turned on Leanne Wood? I'm not a PC member but I liked her and felt she was trying her best. She certainly wasn't afraid to face the media and put her views forward. She seemed to me to be a person with charisma and determination. Winning the Rhondda seat seemed to me to be a huge achievement to her credit (although I am a North Walian so I concede I don't know that area so well). I never understood why the party turned on her. I am puzzled. Please enlighten ....

Perhaps Adam Price could boost his credentials by condemning the behaviour of the Plaid Leadership at Carmarthen County Council. It is all very well "talking the talk" but it is action that is required. He calls for politicians that lie to be prosecuted but turns a blind eye to his own. He has the necessary proof of what has taken place, so why is he prepared to ignore the situation? Leading by example would be a start. One could imagine his comments if leaders of other parties took paternity leave and failed to make provision for a capable "stand in" during their absence? Good leadership is one where difficult decisions have to be made. In this case his record would state "must do better"!