The 20-mph limit has been much ado about nothing – it is time to move on

"gotten"? Obviously your day to day life has not been adversely affected.?

I also think this subject has been blown out of proportion. Especially as there are many cities and towns across the rest of the UK that have adopted it and some before Wales. It's time to move on but the Tories are like a dog with a bone believing it'll bring them votes. If they continue to bring it up we should tell them where to go.

It is interesting how this now appears. This is small potatoes considering the overall state of the nation but they seem to have found a foghorn to blow on the back of a massive vote loss but tiny win in Uxbridge. Sling enough at a wall and some of it will stick. There is an unsavoury element in the Tory party and adherents that have gamed this, I have no doubt now, granted there will be genuine concerns but how many are on the band wagon cos family said so, pressure groups and gamed on social media etc. Try policy now when state of the UK is raised, ignore the genuine complaints, ignore a home sec burning the nation, ignore a PM that allowed conspiracy lies at the conference including "war on motorist" meat tax etc. "but but but 20mph, grrrr" Still on the fence but leaning closer to 20 now.

Quite agree. It's just trivia masquerading as mass outrage, while the world burns and explodes all around us. A typical distraction technique so beloved of right wing extremists who have nothing positive to offer.

Tory turnip Andrew RT Davies & Welsh Tories are a one policy party. Oppose everything. No doubt if we would have had devolution in 1989 would have celebrated the draconian poll tax, oh but it's England see and they know best. He and they, like that right-wing nutjob Suella Braverman, opt to whip up descent those mentally deficient reactionists who will like automatons feel anger where there was once none as seen with Brexit. An example. Just look at those damaging the 20mph signage in Wales , or even the far-right who today during the million march for Palestine were attacking the metropolitan police after provocation from Suella Braverman who emboldened the likes of Tommy Robinson, Katey Hopkins , Jim Davidson and other bigots who call for "British patriots" to protect the Cenotaph from Hamas supporting anti- British hatemongers on their YouTube & Twatter accounts. The 20mph default speed limit is there to mainly protect not prohibit. It was not a blanket ban as stated by Andrew RT Davies, because if this were the case our motorways would be at a snail pace. They are not! You can travel at 70mph on our motorways. There are roads where the 30mph limit is still present, although I might add, with all new systems do have issues and teething problems until finetuned. But it's lie after lie after lie with the Welsh Conservatives. It's misinformation and disinformation. Say an untruth long enough it will become the truth to those naive , uneducated, easily led and let's be frank, thick. Sadly most get their news from Facebook & X (Twitter) and can't separate fact from fiction. Today we are experiencing the phenomena of alternative facts, which is tactic now weaponized by those extremophile Conservatives and the ultra right-wing who have adopted the language and ideology of those moronic Trump supporting fruit loops of America.

Baaahhh

A number of Drakeford's cheer leaders on this site. I think like at least 470,000 others that £35 million was a waste of money. I wonder how much the WG donate to this site?

From my observations, everyone bar learner drivers, is ignoring the 20 as it is just way too slow, it's ridiculous, struggle to find the right gear to be in. However everyone seems to be keeping at max 30 now instead which is an improvement. I still think the whole thing has been a complete waste of money. 20 outside schools, within city centres and other areas with high pedestrian footfall I have no issues with.

I agree totally. When I was asked to speak to politicians in Cardiff after the setting of national limits was devolved in 2018 I found a co-operative and grown-up culture which struck me as very different from Westminster. I engaged with each of the parties and found not only support but also leadership from Welsh Labour, Welsh Conservative, Plaid Cymru and Welsh Lib-Dems. Here was a policy that they all agreed on and Senedd debates throughout 2018 to 2020 were all constructive and received cross-party support for "a national 20mph default to replace the national 30mph default". But in 2021 the word "blanket" was invented. Henceforth what was "eminently sensible" in the eyes of all main parties became an issue which was used to divide and diverge opinion rather converge on Welsh values for making Welsh places better to be for those outside cars as well as those inside. It is time to end the caustic division and negative rhetoric around a policy which has already been implemented by 61 local highway authorities in England out of 121. Yes people can make the case for certain exceptions and guidance allows for this wherever an evidenced case can be made. Those wanting 30mph on particular roads would do better to look at how that case for individual roads can be made rather than trying to overturn the overwhelming global evidence that 20mph or 30kmh is the right maximum speed for motors where they mix with pedestrians and cyclists in a planned manner. What Wales has done is progressive and aligns with what sensible governments are doing across Europe. Well done Wales.

It's questionable that Welsh Labour has defended "a political culture the Senedd worked hard to build when compared" with Westminster. Drakeford turned autocrat during Covid, closing down Senedd, using scare tactics and imposing draconian measure on people's movements. Now he (and Vaughan Gething) declare no Welsh Covid Inquiry and whip Labour MSs to block any vote on it. Drakeford ruptured any civil and collaborative culture. Quashing rebel Labour MSs suppress esdemocratic debate more effectively than Tory-run Westminster.

I would like the WG to divulge the fatality hotspots within each 30mph speed limit zone pre-20mph speed limit policy ? This evidence would prove the necessity for the policy as it would show the fatalities on these roads, time of day, weather conditions, whether there were arrests for dangerous driving and the condition of the driver? Such evidence would be crucial in any investigation and therefore must have been considered in the overall evaluation of the speed limit policy?