Please, ignore the Flint sculpture petition: We don't need another bloody dragon

Cytuno / agreed

Byddwn i'n gwahardd y defnydd o enw Dewi Sant mewn datblygiadau newydd hefyd

Cytuno, er mor atgas oedd yr hanes tu ôl iddo,roedd y ring of steel yn gerflun diddorol. Rhaid dylunio 'n ofalus, ee. mae tafod y ddraig yn llawer mwy pwerus na'r ddraig ei hunan.

Double cytuno

Madog ap Llywelyn had history there. There's no statue to him anywhere as far as I know. Why not give him a statue there? I'll pay £100. If 500 people do so, wecan have a basic statue of him.

Good article, asks some good questions. People love myth and mythology though and dragons and elves etc have never been more popular than now what with the Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones. I think playing up to our ancient tales and history e.g. the characters of the Mabinogion (Lords of the Underworld with their bright-white wolves, giants, etc), King Arthur, Merlin, Boudica, Owain Glyndwr, St. David, a big massive fire-breathing dragon, would certainly be A LOT better than nothing at all. And they are all undeniably positive symbols of Wales. And much better still than symbolism to celebrate our oppression like the proposed iron ring. Also, personally, however much I would like to see it, I don't think a giant miner statue would have quite the same international appeal as our castles already do have as would nice big aggressive symbolism like dragons and such.

If you want good public art you have to start with the artist. The Angel of the North was not some piece of instant PR but a work by a top artist - Anthony Gormley - commissioned by Gateshead Council on the back of 30 years experience of enlightened commissioning. I thought we were supposed to be a cultured nation. Sometimes I wonder.

Agree! Cytuno! A statue of an individual with significance to the independence, freedom of Wales and it's people. The dragon is cool and everything, but let's comomerate someone real.

Mi faswn i'n licio gweld cerflun enfawr Garmon, efo wyneb Saunders Lewis arno, yno... ond anhebyg, er bod Maes Garmon yn agos iawn at y Fflint.

A big metal shield with a lion on it sticking out of the ground in Dinefwr Park... giving the southern branch of the Merfynion some love.

The dragon isnt even Celtic Welsh in fantasy...it was brought in by the brutal Romans....people who happily killed orphans and disabled ppl as undesirables... Lets have a statue to annwn the celtic underworld :D

The red dragon is the definitive national symbol of our country - indeed as a national flag it's unique among the world's nations. I recall a few years back an organisation called the 'welsh christian party' ran a bizarre campaign to have it banned on account of the red dragon being a 'symbol of the devil' - unsurprisingly nobody voted for the cranks in the subsequent elections to the Senedd http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/christian-group-wants-evil-welsh-2263878

My first reaction to reading this was, “What now?” Fortunately my second is to cast away initial thoughts and opinions and always read on! I was unaware of the dragon at Chirk. The ins and outs of that and all entailed my be up for additional debate so, I'll leave that little mystical beast there. Firstly, I don't think dragons are naff at all. What annoys me, not your comment, as much as it possibly did C.S. Lewis and his personal 'elf' issues, is the fact that we have allowed every other nation under the sun to take away yet another piece of who we are. Let's face it who in Cymru calls there kid 'Hiccup' (okay outside of a couple of possible inner cities) no one. Secondly, there is a huge gap between our prehistory and what everyone sees as our only history. More research needs to be carried out into that past everyone else believes is theirs. If you do not know, deep in your heart the calling of the dragon, I pray one day you will. PS nice as some knick-knacks are, you will not find the reality in any of the 'gift shops'. So, without further ado I totally, 100% in agreement with you and the sooner you or someone else sets up this next petition the better and the sooner I, for one, will sign it! It just goes to prove that Nation.Cymru is bringing some together in the absence of our own media. Great piece, new fresh and dealing with a current issue that does need resolving! From a relative God fearing family (or what ever you call them) I would have thought Lewis would have said "Duw, enough of the elf old boyo, to be sure!"

We haven't emancipated ourselves. We're not independent. We dont govern ourselves. We are not free. Yet. When Cymru stands tall, proud of its own efforts in liberation, only then can we produce truly great art to honour those who fought for us. To do so now, when the job is only half done, would be to lie to ourselves. Such a statue would inspire only apathy, laziness, acceptance of the status quo and a rejection of the rebellion we must all feel burning within our breast. I'd be happy with another effing dragon. I don't think we should allow foreign interpretation of our culture to colour the ways in which we express said culture. That reeks of the defeatist stereotype that to this day weighs us down. It doesn't have to be a dragon though. Llewellyn Fawr, Owain Glyndwr, even the mythical King Arthyr, any of these figures who defended our beautiful isles from saxons would be apt. Or maybe we could honour those who fought against Franco in the Spanish civil war. It must honour a person or an idea that fought against injustice, oppression and slavery. It must be a symbol of war, not because we are a violent people, but because we are a people will not surrender. And when some english thinks they're funny by trying to stick something like the iron ring in our land, we should repay the favour. We cant meekly accept defeat.

Pan oeddwn i'n fachgen, roedd arnaf eisiau draig go iawn, ond rhaid cyfaddef i mi gael fy siomi'r dyddiau'ma gan weld y teganau a'r holl stwff sydd â dreigiau cochion arnynt yn cael eu gwneud y tu allan i Gymru ac mae fy mrwdfrydedd dros ddreigiau wedi pylu rhywfaint. Cerflun? Wel mae llawer o Gymry teilwng!