Leaving the EU does not mean giving Boris Johnson a blank cheque on Brexit

Plaid will be as effective as King Canute was in turning back the tide. More waffle from Jewell, no wonder politicians with their noses in the trough of taxpayer funding are held in such low esteem by voters. Get real, put forward pragmatic policies that people will vote for and show you have the support of the people by winning elections, not this posturing rubbish.

Talk has always been cheap - it's time for action. Unfortunately, the Tories will do what they like as they now have a sizable majority and there is liitle anyone can do about it. Especially with Labour tied up in its own little world at the moment. Brexit will happen, Wales will get poorer and the Tories will try and take back some devolved powers, especially if those powers look like they will interfere with any precious Yanky trade deal. Our focus must now be on preparing Wales for independence, laying the foundations psychologically, pumping out postive information on the subject, holding local assemblies, raising money for leaflet production on the subject, basically making the idea of independence mainstream and on everyones lips. This will take time and money but the horrors to come from Brexit will help - we need to capitalise on it.

If Plaid want to make a start on convincing Welsh people to have some faith in them...how about some humility and grown up thinking as to how they made such a hash of their campaign in the general Election - it was an embarrassment. They are totally out of touch with the real world and the problems that face the majority of Welsh people. As a long time supporter since my childhood in the 70s and member since the 80s., afraid to say i have torn up my card. Shambolic. PC are just obsessed with pontificating on irrelevant issues, virtue signalling, and pie in the sky scenarios. Get real.

I can see some point to the case that Ms Jewell seeks to make: Plaid Cymru opposed Brexit from the outset and there's no reason why, despite the calls from the right for all to 'get behind' Brexit now that the issue is settled, they should simply accept the course which the Westminster government opts to take in the forthcoming negotiations. Plaid's voters backed the party in the knowledge of its anti-Brexit platform and presumably wouldn't now expect the party to meekly yield to the UK government line. If Labour too declines to give consent to Westminster's plans, it may well be that the Senedd follows Scotland and Northern Ireland in refusing consent. That seems to me quite legitimate. But when she implies that Labour and the Lib Dems should have simply continued to use the Fixed Term Parliament Act to block a general election indefinitely, I think she loses touch with reality. It's certainly rash to try and draw very precise and specific conclusions from an election result, but surely the outcome of the European parliamentary elections made certain things pretty clear. The fact that in England and Wales both the Conservative and Labour votes slumped disastrously and the Brexit party topped the poll triumphantly suggests that a great many voters, however they might have voted in the 2016 referendum, had accepted the outcome and were signalling that they just wanted the thing done and dusted so that we could move on. Of course Tory divisions on the Commons were initially no less responsible for the Brexit impasse than the opposition was. But once May gave up in despair and defeat and was replaced by a Brexiteer Bunter who peremptorily purged his dissentient 'remain' MPs and directly and repeatedly challenged the opposition to submit to the judgement of the electorate, the game was finally up for the Westminster opposition. Given the apparent mood of the voters as expressed in the Euro-elections in May, they were likely to punish the opposition parties if they continued to stonewall an election. As it turned out, of course, they punished them anyway!

Plaid should concentrate on formulating policies and facts in favour of Independence. There are many of us crying out for some leadership as Independence is the only answer to counteract our rulers in England.

"The battle for remaining in the EU" was lost on 23 July 2016 when the Welsh definitively voted to leave the EU. From that day on the entire political class, including Plaid Cymru and the Conservatives, did every thing they could to defy the will of the people. Their contempt for the people and election results that they don't like was bared for all to see. Delyth writes: "Plaid Cymru had warned them that by voting in favour of an election they were playing into Johnson’s hands, when the right strategic approach was to keep him on the ropes." In other words, Plaid Cymru believes people should be denied elections if they suspect the people's opinion is not to their liking. A bit of advice: when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.