It’s time to defend democracy

No one is saying she was. But at least she is respecting the democratic vote and not calling on her supporters to storm down the Capitol building.

I think we know the difference here, don't treat us like fools.

100 years of lead poisoning on the global population has only just ended...are we seeing the symptoms of it in the USA and the rest of the world for that matter...?

Politics does need to be cleaned up. A law to prevent politicians lying, as hard as that might be to enforce, is desperately needed. Lying has huge consequences. Here we've had the lies of Brexit and the economy has stagnated as a result and now in the States the ultimate lier is once again in the White house, with major consequences for climate change and world peace. Cymru has an opportunity to lead the way in stopping the rot now before 2026 and the likes of Farage destroys democracy here too.

That is the face of old man devoid of make-up and pep pills who knows that the grim reaper follows him like a shadow... 'Dead man walking' as they say over there...

The success of Trump and Maga is deeply worrying . The extreme right will be fired up by it's success. Reform will gain seats in the next Senydd election, we must prepare now.

It does look convincing but I think you are missing the point of the article, which is about a different and more fundamental issue:- was the the result achieved by honest means.

and here was I, thinking that the big issue was about the tories misrepresenting targetted 20 mph speed limits as a "blanket". How parochial I can get!

Be helpful to understand how people ( usually reform idiots) have collated evidence to show that alone amongst all the other nations in the world only is to be considered not worthy or viable. Despite having a larger GDP per capita than Spain or Portugal for instance? No, Adam Price has the clarity to recognise we must be able to identify spin & lies. We must have a credible source of fact assessment! Otherwise, baseless statements designed to hoodwink people gain traction. It seems that many Trumpers thought & still think, no doubt that the Tariffs Trump will impose on non US manufacturers will be paid by those companies!!

Anybody speaking nonsense is you. I've never heard so much BS in my life? You think an independent Wales a non-starter? Poppycock! What, Wales cannot survive an an independent country but nations far smaller, landlocked, with less resources, can? Bet you are a hoot when it comes to problem solving. You are the problem not Wales. My impression of you is someone lacking in ability & confidence so want to reflect your failings onto those who want better for their nation. I reject your pessimism, apathy and quitter attitude for positivity, confidence in our ability as a people & nation to succeed, especially those willing to work hard to achieve our end goal of a free prosperous independent Wales. See, unlike you I'd rather stand tall, work hard , till the fields and grow my own food than hold out a begging bowl hoping for scraps and live my life groveling on my knees. A suggestion, if I may. Get some bloody self-respect. They say a bad apple taints all. Never a truer word said.

honesty is the best policy.

Biden a hater of Britain...what utter rubbish. Is that why he backed the UK when Argentina invaded the Falklands? Did Trump ever condemn Russia for the Salisbury incident? So much for the special relationship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9hxsRO7pI&ab_channel=CBC https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/05/trump-told-theresa-may-he-doubted-russia-was-behind-skripal-poisoning

“There are two sets of principles. They are the principles of power and privilege and the principles of truth and justice. If you pursue truth and justice it will always mean a diminution of power and privilege. If you pursue power and privilege, it will always be at the expense of truth and justice.”

"MAGA MAGA MAGA: Out Out Out". I remember it well, forty years ago - a small crowd shouting across the road from Temple Gardens as Thatcher was going into the Metropole Hotel in Llandrindod. She pretended not to hear. Turned, waved, with not a hair out of place in that elaborate blonde coiffure ...

In 2003, a Labour government invaded another country on a tissue of lies, killed millions, and completely screwed up the Middle East, with consequences that endure to this day. I don't recall any mainstream politicians back then calling for the liars to be prosecuted. But now they're facing opponents who lie even more shamelessly than they do, suddenly they want the law to step in. In practice, this would be just one more weapon for centrists to use against opinions they don't like. And it wouldn't work, because there are no institutions with the credibility to enforce it. Those prosecuted would take pride in it; voters would ignore it. Also: is this really the sort of weapon you would want to put in the hands of Farage's lot if they did take power?

'His supporters were not swayed by evidence; they were captivated by a leader who seemed to challenge elites fearlessly, even as he undermined democracy’s foundations with each calculated lie.' True enough, and that's why Trump in this campaign has come to be termed a 'fascist' by some of his opponents. Because that was also pretty much the way in which Benito Mussolini generated voter support in Italy during the inter-war years.

Angel? Please show how you compare someone who has multiple felonies, convicted sex pest, admitted sex pest and many many more things that should rule him out for any office, how does Harris compare to that? Apart from a blue badge. 45 was a dunderhead in office. He has aged.

"This is not about policing every minor exaggeration or rhetorical flourish". But it would be, wouldn't it? ART Davies just got it in the neck for a standard bit of overblown rhetoric on 20 mph. Yes, he exaggerated, but politicians say similar things every day; they went after him over this one because 20 mph happens to be an issue where the Welsh government is on the defensive.

While honesty in politics would be a nice change the article makes no mention of the extent to which politicians both here and in the US are out of touch with much of the electorate. The concerns of the many are ignored, trivialised or weaponised leaving a political void ripe for exploitation by the rogues among them. Many issues that are having a huge impact on many such as immigration, integration, organised crime, housing etc etc are either not open for discussion or given less attention than they deserve. Maybe a Senedd that respected and listened to the electorate with no issue out of bounds would be a good start alongside the need for greater honesty.

Well said Adam. History when not learnt has a danger to repeat itself. There is similarities between 1929 and 2008 both led to unstable economies and rise of dictatorships. There was a warning in Jan 2021, when Trump's supporters stormed the US capital: A exact copy of 'the storming of the Reichstag' - that is how Angela Merkel saw it. This is an exact plan from 'Mein Kampf' I advise everyone to check the similarities - they are very close to what is happening now. As for ReformUK this is yet another copy of the Original 'British Fascist Organisation' of the 1930s, founded by Oswald Mosley who also went from party to party before founding the BFO. Why is the Welsh government even allowing these people to organise in Wales ? These fascists will make attempts to destroy Cymru Wales and our democracy as it did for Poland and much of Europe. They must never be given any platform to spread their hate and lies as they did in the 1930s - Well, you know what happened. Why cannot everyone in Wales, England and the rest of Europe see it ? The time is now to push back against rising fascism.

It's wrong to assume that the majority of voters fell for all the lies and rather weird outbursts from Trump. They voted for him because the average Joe has not seen any of the benefits from the current administration and wanted change. The prices in the grocery store. Most of the loon stuff Trumps comes out with is just to keep media attention. 

Then you just make yourself look a little silly and incredible. As for Labour being 'extreme left' give me a break, you surely can't be serious!

Has President-elect Trump succeeded in setting the political agenda in Wales? Is the Senedd election in 2026 already being framed as a struggle between, dark and light, truth and lies? Politician (unless they are particularly chummy with powerful media magnates or have sponsors with deep pockets) should focus on listening to the concerns of people in Wales, formulate credible policies to address those concerns, and state a willingness to cooperate with anyone and everyone to make real visible progress on them within the term of the 7th Senedd.

Is that because you have trouble pronouncing Senedd? If you'd got here earlier when it was a Cynulliad I can see why you might have a problem. But Senedd.

Thats like someone saying they refuse to call the earth a globe. They have the right to think that, but we have the right to think that they are idiots - thats our choice.

I believe this article could be talking about the uk elections in 2017 and 2019, if you replace trump with tories supported by the plethora of right-wing print media!

From Adam Price, of all people. Who resigned as Leader of Plaid Cymru (after not increasing their share of the vote during his leadership) after a damning report into sexual harassment and misogyny in his party. Come off it. Price has no idea how to connect with the 'common people', and this rhetoric of 'lies' versus 'truth' is very self dramatising. What is a woman, Adam? Answer us that. While you're spluttering, consider this. It isn't true that schools will conduct 'gender surgery' on children without their parents' knowledge. But some schools in Wales will allow them - encourage them - to 'socially transition' without their parents' knowledge or permission. Some school staff will support and guide a pupil to contact transgender groups without their parents' knowledge or permission. Now. If the left are not prepared to talk about this - they simply concede this territory to those who will talk about it. 'Defending democracy' involves discussing things that voters want to discuss. Not just calling all opponents 'liars'.