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Halal slaughter should not only be a right-wing concern

By Stephen Price
Left: "Halal Meat" by Leo Reynolds licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 2.0. Right: A school meal. Image: Welsh Government

Stephen Price

Halal slaughter has found itself in the news again this week, following news that a Reform councillor has chaired a meeting with a far-right group and parents of young children to discuss “completely untrue” allegations about religious education at a Swansea school.

News reports have focused on refuted claims that pupils at Sea View Community Primary School in Mayhill were being forced to pray on Muslim mats and recite prayers from the Quran, and that Christianity wasn’t getting the same representation in lessons on religion.

Much of the anger in the wider area, and on social media, however, stems from resurfaced content from 2023 showing the widespread offering of Halal meat to children across Swansea's schools.

Senedd Waste wrote: "Alarmingly, no Senedd member on the Committee challenged Small on her shocking admission. It was almost treated as a side note. The Senedd is responsible for education in Wales. Why has it allowed councils to make Halal meat mandatory? We suspect it's because it approves.

"Small appeared before the Committee in 2023. We've therefore raised a series of questions with the Council. Firstly, when was the Halal-only school meals policy implemented? Is it still in force? How much taxpayers' money has the Council spent promoting and procuring Halal meat in schools?

"Parents will, rightly, be horrified by the Council's Halal-only school meals policy. Were they made aware? When meat was served, was it clearly labelled as Halal, a slaughter practice many consider to be barbaric?"

Fair concerns, I'd argue - but we aren't supposed to be on side because the noise isn't coming from our team.

Away from the anger and misinformation of social media, however (along with the clearly worded "all the meat we provide for example is currently Halal" from Kelly Small from Swansea Council), Herald Wales highlighted an example of a weekly primary school lunch menu in Swansea and how it looks today:

Monday: Meatballs or tomato pasta bake and accompaniments of the day, plus jam split and fruit wedge/fresh fruit; halal meatballs, gluten-free and dairy-free meatballs also available

Tuesday: Chicken curry or margherita pizza and accompaniments of the day, plus fruit yoghurt pot/fresh fruit; halal chicken curry, gluten-free and dairy-free chicken curry also available

Wednesday: Cheese and tomato calzone or breaded chicken steak and accompaniments of the day, plus jelly and mandarins/fresh fruit; halal breaded chicken steak, gluten-free and dairy-free chicken steak also available

Thursday: Roast turkey or macaroni cheese and accompaniments of day, plus chocolate cookie/fresh fruit; halal roast chicken, gluten-free and dairy-free roast turkey also available

Friday: Baked fish or cheese wrap and accompaniments of the day, plus fruit muffin/fresh fruit; halal baked fish, gluten-free and dairy-free fish fingers also available

Barely a vegetable or plant-based meal in sight. Yum.

'Race baiting'

The topic raised its head most angrily in Wales in the summer of 2024, when the former Welsh Conservative Senedd leader was accused of engaging in "Islamophobic race-baiting" by a Muslim group.

Andrew RT Davies wrote "children should not be forced to eat Halal school lunches" in an article for GB News, after a constituent alleged she was told non-halal meat was not available at her daughter's school in Cowbridge, Vale of Glamorgan.

At the time, I and many others who probably don't naturally align with Tory or Reform bit our tongues, sat on our hands, and recognised that the motives were far from entirely altruistic on the side of the animals.

His arguments were thrown out because he dared to use an old name for the school, and (like in Swansea) not every single piece of meat was Halal. End of debate. We got you. Nothing more to say.

But all the same, he had valid points to make, and no one else is raising them, so why shouldn't he?

In every discussion, those for Halal meat being fed to school children on the public purse completely overlook the true victims - the animals.

Cognitive dissonance

For an intelligent species, us humans are very happily and easily convinced that we live in a country where farmed animals roam free, living idyllic lives, and that our wider world can accommodate 8 billion people who eat meat for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

For most, it's easier to look the other way when told that grass fed does not mean grass-lived, that calves go without (and go it alone) while we drink the milk their mum made for them, or that welfare labelling means diddly squat, as proven by Red Tractor and RSPCA Assured farms making the headlines for one abuse case after another, one year after another.

Slap a nice photo of a cow on a Welsh mountain on the pack, or perhaps a nice cartoon on a kebab shop sign, and it's a happy affair, it's the way we've always done things, it's all very natural and kind and community building.

"Angel Kebab [Food for Thought]" by Chris JL is licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 2.0

None of us want a badger cull, raptor persecution, Amazon deforestation, bird-flu, chicken-shit-infested rivers, forest-free mountains or blood on our own hands, but heaven forbid we look in the mirror and take accountability for the root cause of these effects.

According to Compassion in World Farming: "It’s a sad fact that around 85% of farmed animals are confined in factory farms here in the UK.

"This intensive method of farming is the single biggest cause of animal cruelty on the planet, and yet in our latest data we can reveal the number of intensive factory farms is on the rise, instead of in decline."

And with that rise in factory farms, and a rise in population and meat consumption, comes an inevitable rise in animal slaughter. The bit we all tend to leave out of the conversation.

Attacking farmers is a dangerous thing for any political party to do, as we've seen with any suggestion of inheritance tax and subsidy changes.

Slaughtering, too, is off limits for attack (as are school trips to slaughterhouses, or taking part in a day on the killing line), unless, of course, it's being done for some other agenda or concern.

Cue a number of right wing groups' current 'concern' with Halal slaughter. Or should that be, their willingness to confront a concern we should all have, but that the left have, until now, largely hoped will go away or simply aren't bothered about?

Halal slaughter

Claire Fowler, writing for PETA, shared: "The dietary laws of Islam and Judaism require that animals be “healthy” at the time their throats are cut. When these laws were passed thousands of years ago, they were probably more humane than any other existing alternative. However, the world has changed drastically since then, and today, slaughter is just the final stage of a life filled with misery, pain, and fear for animals raised for their flesh on factory farms.

"Many animals killed using ritual slaughter practices are fully conscious when their throats are cut. It isn’t possible to generalise about all religious slaughter, because practices do differ, but one thing’s certain: any fully conscious animal is absolutely and understandably terrified when a chain is shackled to their leg and they’re hoisted into the air upside down. Birds thrash wildly in panic and excruciating pain, since their legs can break or be pulled out of their sockets under their own bodyweight.

"Research shows that when cattle and sheep are killed without stunning, it can take several unimaginably agonising seconds for them to lose consciousness after their throats are slit. Recent studies have demonstrated that stunned animals bleed out in exactly the same way as non-stunned animals, meaning there’s no need to withhold stunning for the purposes of avoiding the consumption of blood, one of the aims of ritual slaughter."

Cows heading to a slaughterhouse. Image: Animal Sentience Project

Current UK law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter, so they don't feel pain. However, Jewish and Muslim communities aren't required by law to stun animals before slaughter. All Shechita (Jewish) and some Halal (Muslim) slaughter involves cutting the animal's throat without stunning them first.

According to the RSPCA, pre-stunning ensures that an animal is unconscious and cannot feel pain before slaughter up until the point of death. Animals that haven't been pre-stunned:

  • Feel pain during the neck cutting process and up until they lose consciousness (through loss of blood)
  • Experience a delay in loss of consciousness (e.g. up to two minutes in cattle)
  • Are subjected to unnecessary pain, suffering and distress.

Current UK law requires all livestock to be stunned before slaughter, so they don't feel pain at the time of killing. However, there is an exemption from this requirement that permits non-stun slaughter for religious purposes - to meet the demand of Muslim and Jewish communities.

The charity writes: "We believe that all animals should be stunned before slaughter. Evidence shows that slaughter without pre-stunning can cause unneeded suffering.

"We oppose the slaughter of any animal without first ensuring it's unable to feel pain and distress.

"We're pressing for law changes to improve animal welfare at slaughter. Until this happens, we propose:

  • UK Jewish and Muslim communities review their slaughter practices
  • Meat produced from animals not stunned before slaughter should be clearly labelled to allow consumer choice

"We're working to improve the lives of animals at the time of slaughter. Read our joint statement of principles on animal slaughter"

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Silence

The silence over our consumption of meat is something I will never wrap my head around though.

The oft-overused, 'If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegan' is very true, and I personally have more respect for a hunter or slaughterhouse worker than I do anyone that picks up pre-packaged, blood-free, face-free meat from a shelf who couldn't hold the knife to an animal's throat themselves.

When it comes to Halal slaughter, however, many on the left remain on the fence or actively support the freedom of those with other faiths.

ExposĂŠ after exposĂŠ has revealed shocking levels of abuse at slaughterhouses across the UK, and time after time Halal slaughterhouses make it to the press.

In one of the most memorable that comes to mind, hidden cameras at a Yorkshire slaughterhouse found horrific footage of religious slaughter without pre-stunning, with sheep kicked in the face; smashed into solid objects headfirst; picked up and hurled by legs, fleeces, throats and ears.

Footage also showed a worker standing on the neck of a conscious sheep, then bouncing up and down, and slaughterhouse workers erupting into laughter at a sheep bleeding to death with spectacles drawn around her eyes in green paint.

Another worker held a sheep by her throat, pulling back a fist as if to punch her, while footage showed slaughtermen taunting and frightening the sheep by waving knives, smacking them on the head and shouting at them.

These cases continue, and will continue as we disconnect and turn a blind eye - and while we and our councils pay others to do roles we ourselves could never dream of carrying out.

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Petition after petition

In petition after petition, the UK Government continues to prioritise the feelings and beliefs of those with religious convictions over compassionate animal-loving people, and the animals themselves who deserve so much better than to be brutally killed for the sake of a cholesterol-laden snack or school dinner - often purchased unwittingly by those with no religious convictions themselves.

The most recent petition to get debated by the UK Parliament received over 100,000 signatures. It said: "In modern society, we believe more consideration needs to be given to animal welfare and how livestock is treated and culled.

"We believe non-stun slaughter is barbaric and doesn't fit in with our culture and modern-day values and should be banned, as some EU nations have done.

"In a landmark case, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled that a ban on the ritual slaughter of animals without prior stunning does not violate the ECHR.

"The Court considered that the protection of public morals, to which Article 9 of the Convention referred was not indifferent to the living environment of individuals covered by its protection and including animals."

Chickens heading to a slaughterhouse. Image: Animal Sentience Project

In its pathetic response, the UK Government said: "The Government would prefer all animals to be stunned before slaughter.

"However, we respect the rights of Jews and Muslims to eat meat prepared in accordance with their religious beliefs."

Although a slightly fuller response, no less cowardly, can be read here.

Philip Lymbery, Chief Executive for Compassion in World Farming, said previously: "We completely respect every individual's religious choice. However, it is illegal for slaughterhouses to slaughter animals without first stunning them unless they are satisfied that the meat is intended solely for the Muslim or Jewish communities. In our view it is also against the law for a company to sell or serve meat from unstunned animals to the wider general public."

The charity say that there is a need for up-to-date statistics to survey progress towards better welfare in the slaughter of meat for religious communities. We are requesting updated figures from the Government on the percentage of Halal meat that comes from pre-stunned animals.

Compassion in World Farming also believes that all food from animals that have not been pre-stunned should be labelled as such so that the consumer can make an informed choice.

Left is right, right is left

To portray Islamic slaughter as an acceptable thing, untouchable from debate, and all the more so because the right don't like it, and Muslims simply can't live without it or allow reform, is downright ridiculous.

Right or wrong should know no political yardstick of left or right when violence is on the table. And similarly, the way we treat animals should also not be a left or right issue either. We either treat an animal humanely, or we don't.

As a vegan myself, I would naturally be assumed to be in the 'all or nothing' brigade for animal flesh as an ingredient, but I mirror the beliefs of those at Compassion in World Farming that, at the very least, we can do better.

I recognise that, while so many across the world do still eat animals, there are very clear red lines when it comes to practices that should be an unquestionable right for all living beings - a right to live freely, to feel sunlight on their skin, and to spend the lives they do have without pain, fear and abuse.

And at their final moments, their death should at the very least be as painless as is remotely possible - and as controlled, monitored, and free of religion as can be in a secular society.

Of course, more than a fair few people, and Tory or Reform supporters, are anti-Halal for reasons far from animal rights, their lack of concern for the way pigs are slaughtered - all too often in gas chambers, hidden from plain sight being an obvious hole in their arguments - but to simply take an opposing view, to rule out debate, and to not demand better, is shameful.

Attacks on right wing groups or parties for capitalising on the public's concern on this, and any other topic politicians (and in this case the religious too) know better about will only serve to drive those on the fence into Reform's arms.

In line with Compassion in World Farming, Halal meat only being provided (especially when paid for by the taxpayer) for those that demand it is the smallest of asks to make, along with making plant based meals, which are by default permissive to everyone, much more widely available.

Taking a cheap swipe at Reform and others for their concerns does no one any favours.

Just as the right must, the left should also call out human and animal cruelty at any and every opportunity.

And we must collectively, wherever our political allegiances lie, strive for a more compassionate world for the innocent, gentle animals that find themselves in slaughterhouses, Halal or otherwise.

They all deserve so much better.

 

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66 comments

Mike T

Yeah, it's an issue that we've all tried to avoid for years but it's time to stop it. It is barbaric unfortunately. If we are killing animals for food then then it must be done as humanely as possible and this is just not the way.

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Amir

I am Muslim and I agree. Animals should not face cruelty during their lives or at the time of their death. I wish I could have a more vegetarian life but I have pollen food syndrome and the numbers of cooked vegetables or fruit I can eat without my throat partially closing up can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

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Amir

Not sure what I wrote in this comment to get down voted. Maybe someone does not like Muslims. Or people with allergies.

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Paul

I think that the whole meat debate is quite emotive. If you eat meat people will say you’re wrong and if you don’t people will also say you’re wrong. I left school and went to work on a farm and spent 25 years involved With Dairy farming it would be hypocritical of me to say it is wrong but I can say that the cows that I looked after had the best life I could give them and at the end they had the best death that I could give them. I was lucky enough to be involved during what I would consider ‘the best of times’ today milk it produced on very very small margins and we expect to find ‘cheap’ supermarket block cheddar at a low price and so we have inadvertently created the intensive dairy farms of today. I believe that we should all eat what we are comfortable eating as far as meat goes but we must appreciate that extensive old fashioned farming can’t produce cheap food and perhaps we should learn to appreciate the real value of our food. Meat and dairy products should be a treat and valued as such.

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Harry

According to the RSPCA, 88% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first.

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Amir

Very true. Deform and their followers prefer to concentrate their entire existence on the remaining 12%.

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Maesglas

This is contenscious because other studies show otherwise. But even if it is, does that make it right for the other 12%?

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Harry

It means the welfare concern is non-stunned slaughter not Halal slaughter and those conflating the two are hijacking animal welfare to support a hate campaign.

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Amir

The title of this opinion piece is a big contributing factor to pushing the hate.

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Paul

I’m not sure that people are ‘pushing the hate’ as regards religious slaughter Amir. If you Look back at the comments following the opinion on ‘the future of Welsh farming being vegan’ there were some very polarised comments on both sides of the discussion. I would imagine that you would have received down votes because you were not against slaughtering animals.

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Amir

Then why not title the article "religious slaughter? Why use "Halaal slaughter " in the title at all. That is where the islamaphobia continues. And kosher gets away scot free.

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Paul

I would guess that there is a level of ignorance and a lot Of people think of ‘Halal slaughter’ and ‘religious slaughter’ in the same box. I’m pretty sure that nobody set out to upset you purposely but for most of us we are still learning about other customs. But if we can have open and honest discussion about these subjects then we can learn.

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Amir

I am a Muslim, I look like a Muslim with my long beard and I dress all the time like a Muslim, in work, on my cycle and when I go running. I know the hate, I seem to attract it and lately with the rhetoric of deform and it's various minions, there is more of it. The down voting and the hate (he really hates us) from the guy commenting just below is all part and parcel. But when my beloved nation.cymru comes up with this title and goes all in for the slaughter, then I am in pain.

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Paul

I know how it must seem as you are exposed to it every day but on here we are a group of people who have a chance to say our ‘thing’ and nobody knows who we are. I’m a grumpy Old man who lives in Fishguard and only sees the world from my little perspective. I moved to St Davids 40 years ago from England. My Dad is Welsh and my mum was Scottish so I guess I’m ’British’. I had a strict chapel upbringing and I guess I’m a lapsed Christian I don’t care what a bigoted rich idiot in Reform thinks of me I would like to think that my friends and neighbours think I’m ok. I do believe that I should treat people as I’d like them to treat me, but that’s all I can do. But I do think that I can learn a lot from the people who contribute to these discussions even though I may not agree with them. But I don’t think that people are having a go at you because of your faith or your dress code. I think it’s what happens when there is a discussion over an emotive subject like killing and eating animals. One of the things that I have learned is that most people are good people at heart and would be upset if they caused any offence.

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Amir

I appreciate your comments and I normally don't take much to heart from this forum. I tend to recive more abuse out and about on the streets and I don't find that titles like this invoking hate against Muslim help me much on the streets. I have no issue with any debate about religious slaughter. I would much rather than the title be called religious slaughter rather than simply "halaal". Halaal is not the only religious slaughter in the UK. Kosher is also used and government funding is given to provide kosher meat in schools. So why does the author single out Halaal in his title? Why does he not give his opinion on kosher in the text. He has quoted experts mentioning kosher but he does not give his opinion on it. Only Halaal. That is not right. Then the comments and the down voting is islamaphobia. I will not tolerate those comments or for that matter this article.

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stp

Amir, the reason the article focuses on Halal (but does also mention Shechita) is that an increasing number of schools and restaurants are serving Halal meat to the general population - unnecessarily increasing the demand for a barbaric form of slaughter. Shechita meat is not being served to the general population.

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Evan Aled Bayton

There are a number of reasons why halal meat may not be acceptable to non Muslims. It includes methods of slaughter and prayers said during the slaughter the latter apparently explaining why Sikhs won’t eat halal meat. There is an assumption on the part of Muslims that everyone needs to comply with their requirements which are acceptable to all and when challenged they do not like it. I know of at least one Catholic High School in Lancashire with a minority Muslim pupil list where a delegation of men went to intimidate the head (who refused to be intimidated) into serving only halal food. The obvious solution is to serve only vegetarian food in schools or provide eating space for pupils to eat food they bring with them.

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Amir

If the headteacher was not intimidated, why did he serve the pupil halaal meat? That story made no sense. Is it made up?

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Maesglas

These poor creatures have rotten lives, cramped up in dark, windowless sheds. In many cases, they don't have room to turn around and stand in their own excreta for their short lives. As if that's not bad enough, they are now being slaughtered in the most cruel way. Religious slaughter violates the laws we have in this country requiring animals to be stunned before slaughter. The stunning laws were passed in Parliament in the 1950s and gave exemptions to the then tiny number of religiously slaughtered animals. However, in the last few decades, religious slaughter has rocketed partly to satisfy the increased religious communities but also because it's much cheaper to kill an animal without stunning it first. I once asked a Labour Party representative about this, who spoke on behalf of LAWS (Labour Animal Welfare Society). He claimed he was very concerned about animal welfare. When I asked him why Labour were not worried about the massive rise in killing without stunning, he replied that it's a religious matter and we don't go there. I asked, but do you not consider it cruel, and should it not be regulated in accordance with its intentions? He was effectively saying that animal welfare didn't matter when religious votes were concerned. He refused to recognise the immense cruelty of non-stunning, even though it has been written into law for over 7 decades. The current law is being abused, and cowardly politicians are not helping.

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Amir

Eat free range then. We have a newly elected deform councillor in our area and so far he hasn't said anything or anything to anyone. I don't which scale of cowardice he would be on.

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Maesglas

I am a vegetarian and care about all living creatures. Those who eat them should at least show some concern for these sentient creatures, and they should be slaughtered humanely. That is the point I am making. So your comment about eating free-range is absurd because it does not even apply to me. I am making the point that the law should be obeyed, but politicians, on all sides, are happy to ignore it for expediency.

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Amir

If you are going that extreme than aren't plants living creatures? So, why exist at all? And you brought up cramped living conditions, so I responded with free.range. I have already responded about the issue of stunning. At one point none of the halaal slaughter in uk was conducted with stunning.

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Amir

Please show me in your comment above where you mention you are vegetarian before I responded.

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Amir

If is not there, why call my response absurd and down vote me. I am only responding in this manner, because this opinion piece does not mention kosher meat. There are two mentions of those of the Judaism faith, but not mention of Kosher and of the former none by the author. Therefore, I take this opinion article to be islamaphobic and inciting hatred against people like me, Muslims.

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Maesglas

This is nonsense. Plants do not have a brain or nervous system, so they do not feel pain. You are trying to justify your obsession with preserving halal slaughter with completely invalid arguments. You should accept that many people are opposed to halal slaughter as many comments here show.

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Amir

And you still haven't answered my question.

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Amir

A Group of Scientists Suggest that Plants Feel Pain By Sieeka Khan Published: Dec 18 2019, 08:10 AM EST

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Amir

I can't share the actual link to the article but it is in science Times.

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Cynan

Ban it. We know for a fact that the animals are in pain. We do not know if any gods exist so why cater to beliefs that are not proven?

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Cynan

Yes of course Kosher as well. Respect for religious beliefs does not justify cruelty.

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Amir

Then why eat meat? Any death is cruel.

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Cynan

Yes it is. But people eat meat and you cannot control that. However we can control the process and make it as humane as possible. It’s just common sense.

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Amir

Then why ban halaal meat slaughter?

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Beardie

Animal welfare.

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Amir

Halaal free range meat easily available and stunned. What animal welfare are you talking about? Are you vegan as well?

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Cynan

Because a percentage of the animals killed following the halaal method is done so without stunning the animal first. I find it strange that someone would support making an animal suffer when there is no logical reason to do so.

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Amir

It was 100% at o n e point, now only 12% and hopefully soon none without stunning.

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Amir

So we all become vegetarians?

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Cynan

Amir, we had a long discussion under my original message but you or Nation Cymru deleted it for no apparent reason and now you’re going right back to the beginning.

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Amir

I can't delete my comments on here.

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Amir

I would prefer not to ban it, thank you. The protein in my diet is derived solely from meat as I am allergic to beans and pulses. The animals can be stunned before slaughter and that is fine with me. My faith in Allah is my faith. The proof will come in the life after death. I would prefer to be prepared for whatever follows death. If you wish to believe that this life is all it is, than that is your faith and I respect it. All I ask is you respect me faith with the courtesy I have extended to you. If you wish to belittle me further, go right ahead.

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Beardie

The dhabiha (halal) slaughter method: Method: The animal is slaughtered by a swift, deep incision to the jugular vein, carotid artery, and windpipe, which must be performed by a Muslim who is a Muslim. Blessing: Before the slaughter, a Muslim must recite the name of Allah, a prayer known as tasmiBlood drainage: All blood must be drained from the carcass. Animal welfare: The animal must be alive and healthy when slaughtered. Some Islamic jurists accept stunning if it is reversible and doesn't kill the animal, a topic of ongoing debate and different approaches among certifying bodies, says Gohas and Wikipedi Draining blood: The animal is then often hoisted to allow blood to drain completely from the carcass. 

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smae

Which, when you think about it, makes absolute sense. You don't want your food to be tainted with lead (shooting), poisoned and you don't want it at risk of other infection (old roadkill springs to mind). Draining the blood from the carcass also keeps the meat fresher for longer (also means it doesn't taste bad). About the only thing objectable here is the prayer and properly done, the animal is dead within 30 seconds.

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CapM

When the Quran was written shooting was by bow and arrow not gun and bullet also I can't imagine much roadkill as a result of being run over by donkey carts. So not 'absolute sense'at all just loopholes for pragmatic reasons. Any prayer or similar can only be the 'only thing objectable' if you believe in a different supernatural entity to the one being invoked at slaughter.

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Martyn Rhys Vaughan

A civilised society tries to minimise pain. Halal slaughter fails that test. To allow any group to ignore that precept permits tradition to override compassion.

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Amir

Or allow that group to be the subject of hate.

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Amir

Are you insinuating that Muslims and Jews are not part of civilised society?

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Johnny

Is your reply Amir being down voted Amir because there are people who don't like Muslims and Jews!

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Amir

There is possibility that is the case with this article. I am not usually this unpopular. If I get enough down votes, the comment is deleted. I need the author of this article to respond and I hope he does soon before my comments get deleted.

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Amir

I need him to tell me why he hasn't titled his article "religious slaugher"?

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Alun

This article isn't all about you, even though you seem to think it is. Get over yourself and your ego.

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Amir

If you read my comment at the beginning, you might actually find out the reason why this article is all about me. So, no, my ego and my comments will be here and you can fly away if you don't like it.

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smae

Halal slaughter permits stunning, so your statement is false.

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Brian Coman

I wonder how many politicians and people of the Sikh faith know that Sikhs and their children in schools are eating meat which is forbidden in their faith , because it is ritually killed.

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CapM

There is a loophole with regards ritual slaughter. If a animal [though not all animals eg pigs] is hunted and killed by shooting or even by dogs it's apparently hahal [but not kosher]. Also pretty much all fish that are halal die by suffocation so no quick humane method in either case there. There would have been good health and animal welfare reasons for ritual slaughter of domestic animals in the past. The physical act that is, any accompanying prayers etc would have no effect on the animals' well being or the safety of the meat.. In the UK today ritual slaughter has no bearing on the safety of the meat produced and there are more humane ways of slaughtering animals. Though personally I wouldn't be bothered whatever a religious official said while witnessing the process.

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smae

Meat has been produced by halal methods in the UK for centuries, possibly thousands of years. The main difference is the prayer. It went from being a Christian prayer to being a Muslim prayer (it's probably both now). Knock the animal out, slit the throat, wait for the blood to drain... throw it in the cooler. It's the most effective way of ensuring the meat is fit for consumption, it's basically butchery 101.

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CapM

Technically to 'knock the animal out' before slitting it's throat isn't ritual slaughter as prescribed in the Quran or Torah.

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smae

Yes it is. Both Jewish scholars and Islamic scholars agree. It just cannot be a permanent stun, it must be reversible (i.e. you must not injure the animal).

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CapM

Sounds like another loophole. How is it possible to know if an animal can recover if it's killed before it recovers.

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Amir

The issue is animal suffering at the time of their death. Stunning followed by slaughter reduces their pain.

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smae

I generally have no issue with halal meat. Disclaimer I don't eat meat. I've seen some of the ways that animals are killed routinely in the UK and halal is one of the most humane that I've seen. Halal does allow for stunning the animal first. If you're not stunning the animal, this is wrong in my view. Throwing live chicks into a meat grinder is a thing in the UK (that's just traditional UK goodness, not halal).

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Amir

Blimey even your comment is getting down votes. Some people just have an issue with the term halaal which translates to "permissable". Some people just prefer to live their lives breaking rules.

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smae

The amount of misinformation going around makes me think that it's a bunch of Russian bots.

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Amir

Possibly. I just wish the author had put some more thought into writing andhis opinion article and choosing a more appropriate title.

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Paul

The Humane Slaughter Association has done (and is still doing) important research into various methods of slaughtering. It makes interesting (if rather uncomfortable) reading. They accept the fact that there are animals of all types being slaughtered and work on finding the best way kill them.

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Brychan

88% of Halal slaughter in Wales and England pre-stunned. Vegans jumping into bed with Reform spreading falsehoods does not suprise me.

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Amir, we had a long discussion under my original message but you or Nation Cymru deleted it for no apparent reason and now you’re going right back to the beginning.

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