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Conservative zealots caught in their own hypocrisy

By Mark Mansfield
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Iolo Webb

Last week, Gwynedd Council announced a plan to phase out monoglot English-medium education in the county and move towards at least 70% of their education being through the medium of Welsh.

This means that the last few non-Welsh-medium schools will transition into Welsh-medium so that pupils who have so far missed out will have the opportunity to become bilingual – that is, proficient in both English and Welsh.

Of course, the imperial-minded Conservatives in Wales have predictably thrown up their hands in horror.

Darren Millar, their leader in the Senedd has called the changes “totally unacceptable” and has called on “linguistic zealots” to “remember that there are two official languages in our country that all local councils and education authorities should cater for: English and Welsh.”

He’s also claimed that the plan would result in “a lack of choice for parents and pupils.”

Inconsistency

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Darren Millar appears to be unaware of a great inconsistency in his party’s understanding and attitude towards bilingualism, support for which is immensely vocal in some places but lacking elsewhere.

In December 2024, Tory MS and the party’s former Senedd leader, Andrew RT Davies quite clearly reminded us of Wales’ bilingual status when he claimed that making Welsh-only constituency names would “disenfranchise English speakers.”

Now he’s at it again, this time claiming that “by this logic, Welsh-medium schools would be closed in majority-English speaking parts of Wales.” – something that would destroy bilingualism in many parts of Wales, rather than enhancing it as Gwynedd Council are proposing.

The Conservatives’ concept of bilingual education appears to mean monoglot English-medium education (with a dash of Welsh being thrown in now and then if they don’t object) - whereas native Welsh speakers are all expected to be bilingual.

Gwynedd’s existing English-medium schools are currently used as a way of avoiding the Welsh language.

This is unacceptable in a system that is supposed to achieve bilingualism for all students.

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Insight

A former staff member with first-hand experience of Welsh language standards recently provided some insight into the inadequacy in this respect of Ysgol Friars in Bangor, one of the last monoglot English-medium schools left in Gwynedd.

The source noted that the most able learners are not confident in using even the most rudimentary, conversational Welsh; that the school culture shows no interest in creating confident speakers of the language; and that pressure on students to pass Welsh second language GCSEs result in any aspects of fun in learning being non-existent, with little or no time to improve students’ Welsh oral skills.

The former staff member was also told that “only around 15% of the school’s curriculum would be in Welsh”, and he said that “as long as they would say “bore da” and “diolch”, that would count that as “normalising the language”.

According to a 2017 Estyn report, 70% of Friars pupils could speak some Welsh, but only 16% were fluent – a dreadful statistic for a school in a majority Welsh-speaking county.

However, this wouldn’t be viewed as “unacceptable” by the Conservatives.

Whether Tory politicians like Millar and RT Davies realise it or not, monoglot English-medium schools do not enable pupils to leave the school being able to speak the two official languages of Wales (with few exceptions), whereas in Welsh-medium schools, bilingualism is assured, and pupils leave with fluency in two languages under their belt.

Monolingual education

There is no monoglot Welsh education in Wales from the age of 7, but there most certainly is monolingual English education, and that appears to be what the Tories are calling for – denying thousands of children even in Gwynedd (let alone the rest of Wales) the ability to speak their own country’s native tongue, which quite frankly, is discrimination in a country that’s supposed to be bilingual.

Gwynedd Council’s proposals set an example of ensuring bilingual education for every child to other county councils across Wales, so that every child in the country will one day be bilingual. Is this not something that the Tories would want? The only way to achieve full bilingualism is by promoting Welsh-medium education which facilitates fluency in both Welsh and English.

As Welsh language campaigner and education expert Toni Schiavone has said, “every student has the right to leave school fluent in Welsh as well as English.” In contrast, the Tories appear to want to maintain monoglot English-medium education which deprives pupils of the ability to speak Welsh, whilst loudly campaigning for ‘bilingualism’. One minute they’re calling for bilingual constituency names, and the next minute they want to maintain a system that achieves nothing but proficiency in a single language. This is pure hypocrisy.

So, Darren and Andrew, which is it? Genuine bilingualism for all, or the failing system which you monoglottist zealots are desperate to retain?

You can’t have it both ways.

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43 comments

Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.

Imperial minded bigots exist alongside parochial zealots.

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John Ellis

Whether you think it's for good or ill, the majority of voters in Gwynedd have returned councillors who have taken the view that this is the way to go. If that decision turns out to be a radical turn-off for Gwynedd voters, those voters will have the opportunity, come the next local election, to turf out this lot of councillors and elect some different ones. No use Tories bleating. If their party had been favoured by most Gwynedd voters, then they'd now be the ruling party on the county council. But most voters didn't do that, and in consequence they aren't.

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Jinni Jinna

to be fair, I don't think more than 5 conservative candidates actually stood in the last council election , conservatives in Gwynedd are rare as dragons tears

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Rhufawn Jones

"a lack of choice" - Darren - I have no choice but to speak English in Cymru, due to colonisation - promoted by your party.

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Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.

When Lerpwl was prif ddinas Cymru with 100 Welsh chapels and Cymraeg was spoken by communities often as their first language. Home of the gadair Ddu. Was that colonisation?

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Peidiwch bradychu'ch gwlad

Were the Jews of Warsaw or Lviv colonialists for living there for centuries?

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Johnny

Liverpool at one time was the largest seaport in the World and was a multi lingual City long before the arrival of people from the commonwealth after WWII. The Cymry who moved there were economic migrants not colonisers there's a massive difference between the two groups.

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Dyfrug Caradog-Rhydderch

What about the economic migrants who move to Wales? Are they any different?

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Bilbo

I'm a bit confused, where on this map would that be?

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In reply to Bilbo

Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.

I don't think you are a bit confused.

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Rhufawn Jones

No. Welsh people are native of Britain. Welsh is and was a native language in England.

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Peidiwch bradychu'ch gwlad

But you could say that several languages in Europe are old and microcosmic, and yet their entire country will still teach the language to children regardless.

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Adrian

Of course - but take one such country, and compare literacy & numeracy outcomes to those of Wales

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Peidiwch bradychu'ch gwlad

Funny that, most schools in Wales are English medium. You can thank that for the "low literacy rates"

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John Ellis

'Welsh is such an old language that any word related to modernity is simply a version of the English word ...' I'm not sure that really stands up to close scrutiny, because languages have always influenced one another and Welsh was influenced by Latin long before it came to be influenced by English! Think, for instance, of the word ffenestr. And English itself has been considerably infiltrated by classical Latin and Greek; as, for example, legal language in respect of the former and medical language in respect of the latter. For instance, jurisprudence and psychology.

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Ifangoch

Most elements of modernity in English are either ancient Latin or Greek. Take for example that well known "English" word television. Or how about microwave? At least the much mocked popty ping is original Welsh!

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John Ellis

I recall, when I was living in Swansea over fifty years ago and such bilingual signage as existed was then pretty much confined to the public sector, seeing a van sporting - Welsh version - Coleg Prifysgol Cymru Abertawe - Adran Microbioleg. It was 'all Greek' to me; but then so was the English version!

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lufccymru

Even with zero English lessons the children are bound to learn English from going on the internet, watching TV, listening to music, etc. There is no escaping it. FYI, maths is taught in Welsh too you know, in fact there are studies that show it is more beneficial to be taught maths in Welsh (similar to why maths is easier in Chinese).

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Garycymru

Surely if parents really wanted their children to attend an English only school it wouldn't be a problem to introduce a charge?

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Dyfrug Caradog-Rhydderch

Pretty right wing insisting local children go to a fee paying school.

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Garycymru

I'm not sure where you found the part "insist"? And absolutely not, its a choice thing entirely. If English medium, or any other type of extra is required, then it should be available to anyone cheaply. If the children got to a Welsh medium school they will be fluent English speakers anyway

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Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.

You said charged. That is compulsory an insistant charge. Fair play but cheaply say sixpence a day. You would be happy with that.

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Fi yn unig

Toryworld. A utopia where choice exists and where there are two languages - English & Foreign. Want to speak English? Take your choice of any school on this island. Want to speak Foreign? There are places beyond this island.

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Crwtyddol

I have yet to see a child in Welsh education who is not fluent in English, once they have reached the age of 11. The principle reason for PISA results being lower, is poverty, not language. On average, children who are bilingual are higher achievers than monolingual children. Last year, 4 of the best rated secondary schools were Welsh medium. Also, the onset of dementia is delayed, generally, by 5 years in a bilingual (any 2 languages) person.

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Bilbo

"The principle reason for PISA results being lower, is poverty, not language" This would be clear if PISA results were separately published for the nine English regions. That they don't is only explained by the DfT preferring a single result to hide their best and worst that allows a false narrative that everything is worse in Wales when other statistics (below) suggest half of England is worse than Wales.

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Crwtyddol

Interesting, I didn't know that

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Barry Pandy

More than half by the look of it. Thank you for that - very interesting statistic. Another factor affecting the PISA results is the lower uptake of English schools taking the tests, so much so in England's case that their results should really be excluded on the grounds that they are not a representative sample.

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Bilbo

GCSE is closer to half: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/north-east-england-london-north-west-england-north-east-english-b1177925.html Source for A level stats: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-northern-ireland-alevel-east-midlands-wales-b1176617.html

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Mark

England, Wales and NI use different exam boards, with different curricula, different approaches to setting questions and different approaches to marking schemes. Be careful before interpreting too much from comparison of A-level results.

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Bilbo

Would that be your response if the same data had Wales at the bottom? Thought not.

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Mark

Meanwhile, Wales publishes a single average for A-level results, while England breaks it down by region. Extending your logic, this can only be because the Welsh Gov prefer a single result to hide their best and worst and allow a false narrative that Wales is better than most of England.

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Bilbo

England has a population of 56m, Wales 3m. It's absolutely reasonable to make comparisons between a single figure for Wales and separate regional data for England. What's not reasonable is a single average for a population of 56m that happens to include the richest region in Europe and the poorest part of the UK.

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Barry Pandy

Yes it does.

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Bilbo

The simple reason Conservatives get so weird about an indigenous British language is that it's a constant reminder that the Germanic language is an immigrant language.

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Johnny

Very interesting comment.Yet when you read the comments section on other social media platforms, far right supporter seem to think that the Germanic language you have mentioned is Indigenous to these Islands!

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Bilbo

That's a legacy of empire. You can't very well rock up at a new colony and help yourself to their resources using a superiority narrative of God's chosen people here to civilise the grateful population if your own heritage is actually one of invasion and pillage. A rewriting of history was essential to success.

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John Ellis

I think that 'taxi' is one of those words that over time has become pretty universal across much of the world - rather like 'OK' has. I've certainly seen the equivalent of 'taxi' right across Europe and beyond in countries which I've visited. Even in Bulgaria, where they use the Cyrillic script, такси is fairly readily recognizable. But you do have a point when you highlight inconsistencies in how such things are rendered in Welsh. OK, since Welsh lacks the letter 'x', 'tacsi' is the obvious way of rendering the word. And we render 'chamber' as 'siambr' and 'Jane' as 'Sian'But then Welsh also lacks the letter 'j', and yet my recycling booklet advises me in which compartment of my bin I should place jariau gwydr. Why not, in consistency, siariau? I've no idea!

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DotiauSyml

"Welsh is such an old language that any word related to modernity is simply a version of the English word – it’s hardly pure these days." I was reminded of this philosophy whilst eating my pizza, with some schadenfreude I might add, in the bistro. Ole!

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Crwtyn Cemais

reminds me of those words of that song: '...let your true colours shine through...'. Well Darren + R2-D2, they sure are shining now..

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