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The old union is finished, says Plaid Cymru leader

By Molly Stubbs
Leader of Plaid Cymru Rhun ap Iorwerth. Photo credit: Lucy North/PA Wire

The leader of Plaid Cymru has suggested the fragmentation of the UK is inevitable.

Speaking at the Institute for Government on Monday, Rhun ap Iorwerth said the “old union” is “finished” and will need to be replaced with new alliances.

Mr ap Iorwerth has previously said Plaid Cymru would use time in government to make the case for an independent Wales.

In his speech, he said: “We want to empower people by giving them more say over their future on a national level in Wales.

“As the UK fragments, we must focus on fostering co-operation based on shared values, mutual respect, and principled collaboration.

“The old union as it was is finished – so let us replace it with new alliances, underpinned by radical pragmatism, partnership and principle.

“A Celtic bloc, for example, can be a force for good for all who live within it.

“Together, we can present a united front on defending devolution and making the case for constitutional reform.”

Mr ap Iorwerth pushed back against suggestions that his belief in Welsh independence made him a “separatist”.

He said: “I have always believed in independence, I always will.

“But I also believe very firmly that independence works through collaboration and cooperation, and recognising interdependence.

“I’m no separatist or isolationist.

“But independence comes as part of a journey, a journey on which I’m eager to show leadership, and bring people with me.”

Plaid Cymru has positioned itself as a government-in-waiting ahead of the Senedd election in May and Mr ap Iorwerth told his party conference on Saturday of his ambitions to reset the relationship between Cardiff Bay and Westminster.

“I’m sure I’ll be seen as something of a nuisance, in a way the current First Minister isn’t,” he said on Monday.

“But that’s because I promise to be very, very focused on standing up for Wales.”

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14 comments

Agnes Nutter

I hope he is right. I hope i see it in my lifetime. I would like to die free of English rule

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Frank

In the event of the UK breaking up how will the wealth be shared out. We all know that England has grabbed anything and everything of value over the centuries and all the UKs money is held in the Treasury in England. If anyone ever finds anything of value it must be given to the crown in England. I think that the whole wealth should be shared out equally to each country.....25% each. Although, no doubt, England has probably already stashed away much more than their share. Perhaps in the case of Cymru it will be an England and Wales project and we'll end up with nothing.

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Cawr

Don't think you've ever heard of negotiations, have you Frankie?

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Frank

Is that all you can contribute to the conversation? Yes, I have heard of negotiations but never of fair negotiations.

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John Young

Well even I would never argue that any wealth (whatever that means) would mean 25% coming to Wales with 3 million people and the same to England with 55 million or so.

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Frank

They took all of Cymru's wealth away in coal, slate, gold and other valuable minerals, water. They owe us a hell of a lot more. Never mind the population. Cymru is a country and needs as much as any othe UK country to run. Nowt to do with a head count. If Cymru had been allowed to prosper from its minerals it would probably be the richest country in Britain.

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Screw Loose

To be fair I think there is a bit of sarcasm in his post.

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Dr John Ball

A thought on "separatist." Strange that those who oppose our independence call us separatists in one breath and applaud the freedom of other nations with the other. The difference?

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Dr John Ball

I know one negative response to my earlier comment isn't too worrying, but perhaps it was a little clumsy. To call any national movement "separatist" is a cheap shot and simply illustrates ignorance. We live in an interconnected, co-operating world, no nation is separate and all we in the national movement seek is to be part of that world, not the final, poor colony of imperial England.

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Adam

Cognitive dissonance?

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Adam

Referring to this as a "union" is like locking a woman and her children in a basement and calling it a relationship. If Cymru had oil, America would have liberated us years ago with their magic freedom bombs.

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Iago

There's no such thing as a true celt

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Roger

The old union wasn't a real union. It was a United Kingdom of London and assimilated territories.

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GaryCymru

Thriving. Fully making and policing our own laws. Borrowing money in the sme way as the bank of England Managing Crown estates Preserving our language Keeping the profits from our resources Controlling our own borders Profiting from the billions of gallons of drinking water we provide Having our share of cross border infrastructure funds. The 20 mph has saved lives, normal healthy minded people are happy that fewer people are dying. We do not need the relief road now that we have an affordable and reliable public transport system. Destroying a delicate habitat to keep the car addicts happy isn't going to happen, thankfully.

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The old union wasn't a real union. It was a United Kingdom of London and assimilated territories.

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