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Reform councillor claims local authority shouldn't worry about reducing carbon dioxide emissions

By Emily Price
Left: Councillor Andrew Barry - Right: Reform UK Leader Nigel Farage

Anthony Lewis - Local democracy reporter

A Reform UK councillor has claimed that the council he sits on shouldn't worry about reducing its carbon dioxide emissions.

Merthyr Tydfil Councillor Andrew Barry questioned whether the local authority should be worried at all about carbon dioxide emissions going up.

A recent meeting of the council’s Sustainable Merthyr Tydfil committee heard from officers that the reason for the 28.5% increase in total carbon dioxide emissions in 2024/2025 was the leisure trust properties becoming part of the council’s reporting portfolio now.

They said the two sites that have been the main reason for the increase are Aberfan and Merthyr Tydfil Leisure Centre swimming pools.

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Investment

But they said that energy consumption at Merthyr Tydfil Leisure Centre has been reduced by around 50% over the last few years because of solar panels and LED lighting but added that Aberfan is one building where they could probably do more with investment.

Officers said they try and work in line with Welsh Government carbon reduction targets which includes net zero in operation by 2030 which officers said is very difficult or impossible to achieve because they’d need £30m or £40m to do that.

They said they probably need to set their more realistic internal targets.

Cllr Barry said that China and India are contributing massively to carbon emissions and said “our contribution is negligible.”

“If there’s a financial element, we need to start questioning what we are doing with carbon dioxide reduction.”

He claimed that there was “a bit of a drought” of carbon dioxide on the planet at the moment.

He asked: “Should we be worried about our carbon dioxide going up at all to be honest?”

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Research 

Cllr Barry also claimed that if you do a little research “it backs up the idea no we shouldn’t be doing anything about it.”

He said it’s about having a broader view of where they are with carbon dioxide and it alarms him when he sees they’ve got to reduce it when he claimed “it goes against the scientific community.”

“I would suggest we don’t need carbon dioxide reduction, that’s what I’m suggesting.”

Officers said they need a balanced commercial approach and so far they’ve always done that by carrying out projects that save money and reduce carbon dioxide.

They said what they’ve got to be careful of is doing projects that reduce carbon emissions but don’t pay back for 50 years, which they said isn’t a sensible approach.

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10 comments

Mark T

" IT goes against the scientific community " ..... 😂😂😂😂

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Amir

Maybe he should explain how storm Melissa broke all the rules in its extraordinary growth and devastated Jamaica, a mountainous island. An island, which because of its mountains, usually breaks up hurricanes. But, not this hurricane. Not this time. The waters are so warm that this hurricane defied all out understanding of hurricanes. This is not the time to start talking about how we can further damage our climate. We need to start moving away from fossil fuels with a matter of urgency.

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Jeff

So he is an idiot then. farage just won rusty razor award https://bylinetimes.com/2025/10/29/reform-uk-just-won-britains-least-prestigious-award-for-promoting-pseudoscience/

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Buzby

>> "Cllr Barry said that China and India are contributing massively to carbon emissions and said 'our contribution is negligible'." It wouldn't be negligible if we got blamed, as we should, for the emissions associated with all the stuff China and India make for us.

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Gwyn Hopkins

The mass of scientific evidence showing that human carbon dioxide emissions are increasing the earth's temperature, thus causing catastrophic climate change, is absolutely conclusive and overwhelming. Every country in the world, including Wales, must take steps to reduce the emissions to zero unless we wish to render our only home - planet earth - uninhabitable in the not too distant future.

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Jeff

They had a discredited anti vaxer at the conference and Nige has already called vaccines made up (interview with late James Wale). Nige thinks CO2 is OK (on stage said it out loud). Nige is getting in bed with serious religous far right from the US and they basically are bonkers with regards science. Jenkins is a big naysayer with no evidence. So science is not something reform will accept, but try to pin one down on the science, they will run for the hills, I expect this councillor to run away rather that sit with a credited scientist. This twp in this council is on message for nige.

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FrankC

Are any of this Reform mob in Wales not total morons?

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WNB

I can answer that for you, no.

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Garycymru

You can see why they have a certain type that supports them.

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Daniel Pitt

Scrap Reform to save British industry At a time when global markets are increasingly focused on sustainable energy solutions, the UK faces a critical juncture in terms of domestic energy policy. Reform UK, with its ideological aversion to renewable energy, insists that doubling down on fossil fuels is the magic solution. Their rejection of wind energy in favor of accelerating fossil fuel extraction not only undermines the economic potential of green energy, but also risks undermining the future of British industry. In particular, this myopic approach could deal a heavy blow to key sectors like steel manufacturing, which is dependent on affordable, reliable energy. Recent research from University College London starkly contrasts the benefits of renewable energy with the failed logic of fossil fuel dependence. From 2010 to 2023, the UK’s wind farms saved consumers £14.2 billion on electricity bills, a result of reducing reliance on expensive gas. However, the real economic gain was even more substantial: wind energy helped lower the UK’s demand for gas, slashing the cost of gas imports and the need for costly infrastructure investments (a combined saving of an astounding £133.3 billion over the period). After accounting for the £43.2 billion in green energy subsidies, the net result was a reduction of £104.3 billion in total energy costs. These numbers are not mere statistics; they represent the profound economic value of renewable energy. Britain, with its significant offshore wind capacity, is well-positioned to build on this momentum. Reform's continued opposition to expanding the wind energy sector, however, risks squandering these gains, preferring instead to focus on fossil fuels that would only further exacerbate the country's vulnerability to volatile global energy markets. Reform UK's opposition to wind energy is not merely an ideological stance; it is a deeply flawed economic argument. By rejecting green energy, the party is effectively opposing the future of energy, industry, and jobs in the UK. The wind energy sector alone employs 55,000 people, and that number is set to double by 2030. For every gigawatt of offshore wind capacity, the UK sees between £2 billion and £3 billion in private investment - an influx of capital that fuels growth across multiple industries. In short, wind energy is a driver of high-quality, long-term jobs, while fossil fuels remain a drag on sustainable, long-term economic progress. Take, for example, the UK’s steel industry. Steel production is energy-intensive, and the cost of energy is one of the most significant expenses for manufacturers. As energy prices climb, driven by reliance on fossil fuels, the competitiveness of British steel becomes increasingly tenuous. In an era of rising energy costs, British steel manufacturers are already struggling to stay competitive against lower-cost producers abroad. Reform's insistence on fossil fuels prevents the solution: affordable wind-powered electricity that is less vulnerable to global price spikes and could directly power the shift to 'green steel' production. Meanwhile, the wind industry is poised to transform the UK's industrial landscape. Beyond creating jobs in manufacturing, maintenance, and operations, wind energy can be the backbone of a green industrial revolution that supports a range of sectors, from steel to transport to chemicals. If the UK continues to prioritise fossil fuels over renewables, it will find itself increasingly disconnected from the global economy’s green transformation. Countries that embrace renewable energy now are positioning themselves as future industrial powerhouses, while those that resist will find themselves locked in an expensive, declining fossil fuel era. Reform UK’s position on wind energy reflects a dangerous nostalgia for an energy model that has already begun to fade from relevance. Their rejection of renewable energy is not just politically regressive but economically reckless. In prioritising short-term gains from fossil fuel extraction, Reform UK ignores the clear long-term benefits of green energy, both in terms of reducing energy costs and bolstering the UK's industrial future. The evidence is clear: wind energy is not just an environmental imperative but an economic opportunity. Investing in renewables means cheaper energy, job creation, and long-term economic growth. By refusing to embrace this reality, Reform is charting a course for the UK that is not only environmentally unsustainable but, more crucially, economically self-destructive. The choice is stark: invest in the future of renewable energy and secure the UK’s place as a global leader, or follow Reform UK down an economic cul-de-sac that consigns British industry to the scrapheap.

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They had a discredited anti vaxer at the conference and Nige has already called vaccines made up (interview with late James Wale). Nige thinks CO2 is OK (on stage said it out loud). Nige is getting in bed with serious religous far right fro...

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