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Questions raised over details of cross border NHS plan

By Emily Price
Eluned Morgan. Photo Comisiwn y Senedd / Senedd Commission

Emily Price

Questions have been raised about the details of a cross-border collaboration to help reduce NHS waiting lists in Wales and England.

Plans for the new partnership to tackle backlogs were revealed at the Labour Party conference last month.

On Tuesday (October 15) Eluned Morgan said her opponents and the media had misrepresented the policy, saying people had been "putting words into our mouth in terms of what the relationship is and what it was that we announced".

Opposition politicians pushed for details of how the arrangement will work after the Health Secretary Jeremy Miles appeared to rule out giving Welsh patients the option to travel to England.

A spokesperson for the Welsh Government told Nation.Cymru the scheme wouldn't allow a patient to choose the location of their care - but would involve English trusts and Welsh health boards working together to identify where this is capacity.

Plaid Cymru Leader Rhun ap Iorwerth said that three key players on the border - Gloucestershire NHS trust, Herefordshire and Worcestershire NHS trust, and Powys Teaching Health Board - had all confirmed via freedom of information requests that they have received no correspondence from either government.

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'No idea'

Mr ap Iorwerth said: "The problem is that we have absolutely no idea what is actually being proposed.

"Despite her promise of mutual aid partnerships between NHS trusts in England and health boards in Wales, the Welsh Government’s cabinet secretary for health has ruled out giving Welsh patients the option to travel to England for more treatments.

"Between them, Labour in Wales and in Westminster have come up with a word soup which is just a distraction from their failure and even lack of a real plan to bring down waiting lists."

He accused the First Minister of making up the policy "as she goes along".

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'Projecting'

Baroness Morgan said: "I honestly think that you have all, as well as the media, been projecting things on to what this relationship is all about.

"The fact is that it is all about practical, common-sense steps, and that’s what we’re doing.

"We’ve brought in these experts, who are telling us what works well in the NHS in England, and they’ll be working with the experts from Wales.

"Let’s be clear, supporting each other is something that already happens."

NHS Wales waiting lists for hospital treatment hit a record high this year with over 760,000 patient pathways and over 20,000 people waiting more than two years for treatment.

More than a quarter of the two-year waits in Wales are for orthopaedic surgery.

England has managed to almost eradicate these waits but Wales includes more referrals in its statistics than England does meaning the figures aren't completely comparable.

Wales' population is also older, poorer and sicker than in England - meaning there is an increased demand for care leading to an extra burden on the health service.

In the Chamber today, Baroness Morgan said, "there's not that much capacity in England either at the moment".

Mutual aid

When the scheme was revealed, Labour said there would be "opportunities to explore more cross-border collaboration", including developing mutual aid partnerships, which would enable NHS Trusts to support each other as capacity becomes available.

The First Minister said Plaid's leader should "read what we've actually said rather than making things up".

She said people from Bristol already travel to Wales, including for treatment for cleft palates, as well as plastic surgery.

Baroness Morgan said there were a range of areas where the NHS in England was keen to learn from Wales, pointing to GPs, which she said have "much better performance than they do in England".

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8 comments

John

Is this a comment by an angry resident?

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Megan

The cross border plan will be what ALL cross border plans with England are. WE will have to cross the border because our money will be spent to improve England’s NHS. In every. Single. Case

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Sneb yn gwbod.

Yes if you live in Cymru you should be seen by the NHS there not England.

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Torquin Carrithers

That would be popular in English border counties.

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Ann

My husband was referred to cardiology by his GP in Swansea Bay UHB last year. He received a letter acknowledging the referral and stating that he could be sent an appointment anywhere in Cymru or in South West England. The appointment later received was actually with the regional team covering SBUHB and Cwm Taf UHB.

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Mab Meirion

The Red Queen...

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Y Cymro

Welsh Labour has been at the helm of the Welsh NHS for 25 years. We shouldn't even be at the point where patients need to travel to use English facilities when we should have the capacity ourselves. Why hasn't Welsh Labour built sufficient hospitals to serve those patients in the North of Wales let alone train enough doctors & consultants to cope with the current crisis we face? It's not that they haven't had enough time let alone money, although they continually blame the Tories for underfunding Wales but when they are in power by never seem to right any wrongs. Just look at their refusal to give Wales the £4 billion denied with HS2. Imaging what good that could do for our NHS. Labour are a bad as the Conservatives. I wish voters in Wales realised this? Ignorance can never be a defense. Also, I can recall years ago when families in the North were forced to give birth to their babies in Chester because there wasn't sufficient natal units here. Has this changed? I don't think so. You've still got patients in Mid & North Wales who attend English hospitals still where the Senedd pay the English NHS to use their facilities. I know in the recent past there was some English NHS board complaining it wasn't getting enough money and said it wouldn't treat Welsh patients anymore until the Welsh Labour Government stumped up more money. So besides Welsh patients being held hostage by the English NHS, Wales hemorrhages vast sums of money over the border thanks to a lack of historic Whitehall & Welsh Labour hospital infrastructure build. With that said. I do know a lot of infrastructure wasn't built by previous Tory & Labour governments who deliberately centered specialist units in Liverpool , Birmingham so forcing patients in Mid & North Wales to go across the border when they should have been treated within Wales itself? Any modern European country should have it's own hospitals , specialists & medical facilities to serve its own population. We are not some third world county being part of the so-called 5 or 6th largest economy in the world, although the Tories have been desperately trying to turn Wales into one. The evidence. The Welsh Tories wanted , and still do, Wales not to have its own International Airport in Cardiff. They were happy to see it fir and jobs and money to to Bristol Airport, certainly on the South. Their plan would replicate the North where passengers have always travelled to English regional hubs because infrastructure i.e airport has never been built, bit like hospitals . And we would join only one other country without an airport let alone an international airport . Andorra. Enough said. A thing to ponder. The positives of devolution. Do we know that until 2005 Wales was the only part of the UK that didn't have its own designated Children's Hospital.? Not once did the UK Government ever consider building Wales one. Never. And we wonder why the Welsh NHS struggles when the capacity isn't there because it was never there in the bloody first place thanks to past labour & Conservative governments. The appeal for a Children's Hospital for Wales began in 2000. And It took celebrities like Shirley Bassey, Charlotte Church , Catherine Zeta Jones & Michael Douglas including English Cricketer Ian Botham who did charity walks to raise enough funding which was matched by Heath Minister Edwina Hart & Welsh Labour to create the very first and only children's hospital , the Noah's Ark Children's Hospital for Wales, that opened in 2005 to serve a population of 3.2 million . Remember, Northern Ireland is half the size & population had a hospital some 121 years before Wales did. Ponder that thought all you unionist dolts. Note: England has 32, yes 32, Children's Hospitals. England first Children's Hospital opened its doors in 1852. Scotland has 3 children's Hospitals. The very first was the, The Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Edinburgh, which opened its doors in 1860. Northern Ireland has 1 Children's Hospital. The Royal Belfast Hospital for Sick Children opened its doors in 1873. Trivia: Although I might add, Northern Ireland , or Ulster, wasn't even a country when it opened being a province of the then Ireland of Ireland before it's partition and the Republic of Ireland gaining its independence. So anyone who foolish enough to argue with me how wonderful this false United Kingdom is for Wales when numerous Westminster Conservative & Labour governments, besides raping Wales of its natural resources, deliberately built hospitals over the border rather than in Wales will end up with their tails firmly between their legs.

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Linda Jones

Whenever Wales is involved in England initiatives we always lose out. Morgan will do as she is told by Labour Party headquarters regardless of the impact on Welsh people.

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Whenever Wales is involved in England initiatives we always lose out. Morgan will do as she is told by Labour Party headquarters regardless of the impact on Welsh people.

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