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Owain Glyndŵr’s banner to be flown outside Senedd

By NationCymru

The banner of Owain Owain Glyndŵr will be flown outside the Senedd for the first time on Saturday.

It will be the first time in 600 years that his banner has been flown outside a Welsh Parliament.

Assembly Member Adam Price had sent the Senedd’s presiding officer, Llywydd Elin Jones, a request asking if the flag could be raised.

Tomorrow will mark 617 years since Owain Glyndŵr was crowned Prince of Wales.

“As we approach 20 years since the people of Wales voted to create the National Assembly, we face a number of challenges to defend the integrity of devolution,” Adam Price said.

“Raising the banner of Owain Glyndŵr this weekend would be an appropriate recognition, I think, of his vision for a self-governing Wales which controls its own fate.

“That is something that devolution has achieved to an extent, but it reminds us that it’s something that still requires an effort from us 617 years after he was enthroned as Prince of Wales.”

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25 comments

Sionyn

Da iawn Adam Price. Things like this are important because it frees the mind to think independently on other issues affecting Wales - forming our own bank, taxation in different ways, transport to support the west, dignity for out language. All these things don't need a flag, but the confidence to fly Glyndwr's flag is a nod in the direction that other ideas, once 'heretical' can become mainstream and accepted. Da iawn.

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Wrexhamian

Arddechog!" How about a statue of him in Sir Fflynt instead of the Ring? (To reinforce the message).

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Dafydd ap Gwilym

Excellent news!

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kim erswell

Not being homophobic, but surprised the rainbow LBGT flag had priority to be flown outside the Assembly before, Owain Glyndwrs, banner over two years ago. Priorities in politics I suppose.

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Cefin Wyn

Good news, although not wishing to be overly critical or anything.. but statements which begin with the phrase "not being homophobic" usually betray the potential homophobic sentiment which follows thereafter...Do we know for certain that the rainbow flag "had priority" in being flown over Owain Glyndwr's standard?. If not then why say it?...

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sibrydionmawr

Well said Cefin!

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Steve

No offence, but, as a republican, I'd prefer not to have the banner of any royal parasite flying over a democratically elected parliament. Since when did Plaid become a royalty supporting party, albeit that indigenous (and dead) royalty are marginally preferable to the living English kind? Just saying!

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Wrexhamian

Don't be ridiculous. Welsh people don't admire Owain Glyndwr because of any blind affection for royalty. You know as well as I do why he is revered

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CambroUiDunlainge

Your lack of ability to utilise context when making that comment suggests you probably shouldn't be making it at all. If you cannot put your Republicanism aside to give respect to a key figure in the Welsh nationalist movement then maybe you're in the wrong place? Oh and Plaid WAS a Royalty supporting party under Gwynfor Evans - wonder who the parasites were viewed as being back then? I'd also point out that as legend would have it Y Ddraig Goch was the badge used by Cadwaladr, King of Gwynedd. The white and green behind are the colours of the Tudors who flew the Dragon at Bosworth.

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Capitalist and Welshnash

Royalty has been part of Wales for its entire history. Ireland, France, Russia, America... do you actually want a revolution after we've seen the pains and loss of traditions and languages which they cause?

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Gruff

Republicanism doesn't necessarily mean not having royalty - you can have royalty and a monarch within a republic if you want. This is normally a symbolic head of state or ceremonial role of course but republicanism in its essence means a government of laws not of men - a constitutional republic for example

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Victor Martin Hunt

About time !

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Ms Anwen Parry

Bendegedig !!.Adderchog !! I totally agree with Wrexhamian above...a statue of Owain Glyndwr would be perfect instead of that despicable iron ring.

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sianiflewog

A'r hyn yr ydym eu hangen yn awr ydy dwy wyl gyhoeddus (banc) i ddathlu ein cymreictod: sef Mawrth 1af - gwyl Ddewi, a Medi 16eg - Gwyl ddathlu Owain Glyndwr. Y byddai'n bosibl dileu gwyl gyhoeddus Gwener y Groglith at berwylion Dewi Sant (dal yn wyl 'crefyddol' o Gapelwyr); a dileu gwyl ddiwedd Awst er mwyn rhyddhau amser i'r un Owain. Dwi'n dweud hyn, gan nad ydy'r Marxist Leninistiaid i lawr yn y Baw yn fodlon rhoi mwy o wyliau cyhoeddus i ni. Mae gan yr Alban, a Gogledd Iwerddon wyliau cyhoeddus sydd ddim yn cydfynd a threfn Lloegr. Dylem ni gael yr un fath!

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Tame Frontiersman

Cytunaf

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sibrydionmawr

Mae galw'r Plaid Lafur yn Farxist Leninisitaid yr un peth a galw Obama yn gomiwnydd - rwtsh llwyr yr asgell-dde adweithiol!

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Tame Frontiersman

Good- What about all public buildings in Wales? There's a Scottish version the Royal Standard of the United Kingdom used by the monarch in Scotland which features the Royal Banner of Scotland in the first and fourth quarters. The independent countries of the Commonwealth which still retain the Queen of England as their sovereign all have their own Royal standards. Wales doesn’t have its own standard: the Royal Standard of the United Kingdom is used by the monarch - the republicans may cheer the fact that Wales doesn’t have one, but, and It is a mischievous thought no doubt, but the idea of creating one so that the heirs and successors of Henry IV & V would be forced to fly a flag based in an obvious way on the banner of Glyndŵr on visits to Wales appeals to my sense of irony. As regards flying memorial or campaign flags e.g. LGBT rainbow flag, Skin Care Cymru’s “red lobster“ version of the Welsh flag which was flown around Wales on 1.3.17. Why not, but perhaps flying of these flags on public buildings should be restricted to days designated for the flying of such flags – say one day a month (?), and shouldn’t the Red Dragon and/or the Flag of St David on 1st March and Banner of Glyndŵr on 16th September always have precedence? If I remember correctly, when the National Assembly for Wales first sat, flying of the Union Jack outside was restricted to the official designated days for flying the Union Flag on government buildings. Shortly after, dispensation was sort to fly the flag (on which Wales is not directly represented) every day. Note the apparent impact of the 2010 Equality Act and the Equality Impact Assessments (EQIAs) required under that law in regards flying of flags: http://www.assembly.wales/foi%20documents/flag%20flying%20protocol/foi%20574%20final%20redacted%20response%20saes.pdf Am I correct in thinking the equality legislation was instrumental in restricting the flying of the Union flag at parliament buildings in Northern Ireland? http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/about-the-assembly/corporate-information/policies/review-of-the-policy-on-the-flying-of-the-union-flag-at-parliament-buildings/ Northern Ireland is represented by the Cross of St Patrick. Does not Wales have a right to be represented on the Union Flag?

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Davy Gam

ive always thought Glyndwr to be an odd choice for a nationalist icon & it is indeed strange how people claiming to be socialists, republicans and democrats rightly castigate the current British/German royal family as irrelevant & undemocratic whilst revering a rich medieval landowner as "our rightful prince" As a rich member of the landed gentry in a still fairly feudal society, Glyndwr would have, like the rest of his class, considered it pre-ordained by God that the rich should live in comfort while the lives of us peasants should serve as arrow-fodder For most of his life he served the English king loyally & served in the English army against the Scots when they were seeking independence. He only took up arms when his own private property was threatened & had himself declared our "rightful prince" by a small cohort of his relatives & cronies. After the revolt failed he managed to preserve his own personal freedom while his wife, daughters & grandchildren languished & eventually died in English captivity. Perhaps most tellingly of all, he was quite happy to do a deal with his fellow English robber barons to carve up England & Wales between them - a deal which would have given him not only Wales but large tracts of Western England too. He therefore showed about as much consideration for the wishes of the good folk of Shropshire, Herefordshire etc as Edward I did for the people of Wales. Glyndwr was certainly a very skilled & successful military leader & should be remembered for that - but, like most of his ilk, he was little more than another medieval robber baron on the make, & as an icon for modern, 21st century democratic Wales he's about as relevant as Jacob Rees Mogg DG

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CambroUiDunlainge

Scotland seeking independence in 1400? Maybe you have not heard of the Declaration of Abroath in 1320? Scotland was operating as a proxy war for the French... and to be honest were a Norman realm in much the same manner as England. One of those "robber barons" just happened to be Edmund Mortimer... who was uncle too the Earl of March, Richard II's legal heir. It was this issue which was central to a conflict you may have heard of called "The War of the Roses". Why did Edmund join Owain? Because Henry IV refused to pay his ransom after being captured. There was only one robber baron in the conflict... he stole lands to pay his supporters and stole a crown right alongside. He kidnapped a hundred Welsh children to be fostered in England away from their families and desecrated a holy place. You mention Shropshire... but the border was pretty fluid still between the counties and the March. In fact in just 1397, a year before the rising began parts of the March were added to Cheshire. Up until 1400 Welsh and English lived both sides of what we now call the border... we know this because one of the laws brought in by Henry IV was that no Welshmen were allowed to buy land in the county. All Owain really claimed was the March - which began in Gower and ended at Cheshire. So few people are who are willing to make comments are unable to apply the simple concept of "context". Yes he was a wealthy landowner, an accomplished soldier and a lawyer. The rising began before he came on the scene and his victories won him leadership when he united four or five different revolts going on across Wales. He won it as a member of Mathrafal - and as Welsh law states: No blood but Rhodri's rules in Wales. Mathrafal did not qualify. So lineage had nothing to do with it. He proved himself the best man to be a leader during the conflict. Let me just point out here... Welsh people were living in poverty to the point they robbed Richard II's army on return from Ireland. Owain may have joined later... but least he wasn't fighting against his own down trodden people who were being persecuted and treated as second class citizens in their own country. Dafydd Gam though... he did. His descendants to this day reap the rewards of that as Earls Pembroke and Caernarfon. Your choice of name is foolish and rather ignorant. As was most of your statement.

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CambroUiDunlainge

Correction 1380s cover the conflict with Scotland. Still point stands despite that... Scotland had been independent for two generations.

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Capitalist and Welshnash

God Save a non-Socialist Wales.

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Gruff

Being republican doesn't necessarily mean not having royalty - you can have royalty and a monarch within a republic if you want. This is normally a symbolic head of state or ceremonial role of course but republicanism in its essence means a government of laws not of men - a constitutional republic for example

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No more heroes

He killed and oppressed welsh, Scots, irish and english people seeking freedom, all in the service of a brutal overlord. We should be ashamed of Glyndwr.

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cut__chemist

Are there any photo's of it up?

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Trailorboy

about time

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