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Council has 'no plans' to scrap 20mph roads after consultation

By Molly Stubbs
20mph sign. Photo: Elgan Hearn

Richard Evans, Local Democracy Reporter

No default 20mph roads in a north Wales county will be reverting to 30mph, despite the council receiving submissions from residents calling for over 200 roads to be changed back.

Generating huge controversy, the 20mph default limit was introduced in September 2023 by Welsh Government in the hope it would make roads safer.

But after a public backlash, transport secretary Ken Skates ordered a review when he was appointed last year.

This resulted in new guidance issued to councils for ‘exception’ roads – routes that would be permitted to revert to 30mph.

But Denbighshire County Council has now said it has no plans to increase speed limits on any current 20mph road back to 30mph.

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A council spokesman said: “Denbighshire County Council is now in a position to confirm that there are no plans to increase the speed limit back to 30mph on any roads in Denbighshire, which are currently at the default speed limit of 20mph.”

Tremeirchion councillor Chris Evans said: “So there’s no roads in Denbighshire getting reverted back to the 30mph or 40mph speed limit.

“Wrexham have reverted some back and so have Flintshire, so why aren’t we doing that? It is having a massive detriment to travel, slowing things down. I appreciate through towns and outside schools, yes, but for example going past the golf club in Meliden, it is 20mph.

“Why? It was a 40mph road. To me, it needs to change. People are not happy.”

He added: “I’m sure some people do want the 20mph. But you only have to drive from St Asaph to County Hall in Ruthin. You go from 30 to 20 to 40 to 60 to 20 to 40. It is ludicrous.

“It is public money spent on this. We need forward thinking about how we are spending public money.”

Cllr Brian Jones said: “I totally respect and understand we need 20mph outside schools and hospitals and areas like that, but I feel if you put your business hat on, and if you are a plumber or an electrician, travelling on Russell Road in Rhyl, travelling at 20mph, and you are doing that every day of the week, that will add considerable time onto your journey and will cost your business over a month or year.

“Some roads, Russell Road in Rhyl for example, should have reverted back to 30mph. So I think Denbighshire have missed a trick.”

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The Denbighshire spokesman added: “In September 2023, the Welsh Government introduced legislation which changed the default speed limit for residential roads from 30mph to 20mph.

“In 2024, the Welsh Government launched a review of the default speed limit. The conclusion of this review was that the default speed limit of 20mph was appropriate in the vast majority of cases, but it did provide guidance to local councils to assess any requests for ‘exceptions’ to the default speed limit.

“Exceptions would need to be granted on a case-by-case basis, and roads would need to meet a very strict set of criteria before they could be considered for an exception from the default 20mph speed limit.

“This review process means that people should assume that the speed limit of a road would not change unless genuine and exceptional circumstances could justify a change.

“The council received over 300 submissions/requests for exceptions for a total of 202 roads in Denbighshire. Barely any requests were made by residents living on any of the roads concerned. Almost all of the requests were made by people who travel through rather than live in the area.”

He added: “After assessing all 202 roads individually against the exceptions criteria, we can confirm that none of the roads met enough of the exception criteria that the council could safely consider increasing the speed limit. The council would like to thank everybody who took the time to get in touch with us as part of the review process.”

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12 comments

Amir

Good strong resolute decision.

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Only Considerable Upsides

Councillor Brian Jones complains about the reduction to 20mph on Russell Road in Rhyl, but perhaps he's unaware of the nearby Royal Alexandra Hospital outpatients department and the number of care homes along this road?

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John Ellis

I don't know about Rhyl, but the 20 mph limits in the towns closest to me - Denbigh and Rhuthun - seem entirely sensible and rational. On urban roads where there are neither residential or commercial premises, the council has stuck with the 30 mph limit. 20 mph only comes into operation in sections of street where there's likely to be significant pedestrian footfall. Which seems to me to make total sense.

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Only Considerable Upsides

Those calling for the policy to be replaced with a more targeted usage of 20mph appear to have missed that under that criteria, most roads would remain at 20mph anyway (eg Russell Road above), and there'd be even more frequent changes from 20 to 30 back to 20 within shorter stretches as well.

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John Ellis

'... a more targeted usage of 20mph appear to have missed that under that criteria, most roads would remain at 20mph ...' Which appears to have been precisely the criterion employed -at least in Rhuthun and Denbigh - when the new limit was initially applied.

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Susan Davies

"Barely any requests were made by residents living on any of the roads concerned." Very telling. Good on Denbighshire for prioritising local people over those just driving through. Compare with Wrexham where their shambolic handing of consultation responses didn't even distinguish between different roads!

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Only Considerable Upsides

With there being many houses along the Meliden Road both sides of the St Melyd Golf Club, it's a wonder this was made 40mph in the first place.

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Only Considerable Upsides

The petition against this policy wasn't ignored. The Senedd debated the policy and the petition was rejected.

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Only Considerable Upsides

I suppose you'd have to ask everyone individually on that one, but 20mph limits aren't something the Welsh government brought into the UK, the first 20mph zone being introduced in England some three decades ago. Since then, in response to public opinion, the slower speed limits have been increasingly used across the country, saving lives and reducing injuries.

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Amir

I must admit, I wasn't a big fan of the 20mph limit when it was introduced. But, now I see the real benefit. I feel less stressed when driving and more aware of my surroundings and find it easier to stop when a child runs out in the road without warning between 2 parked cars. I don't really care now about the bully behind me driving next to my bumper. I move over to the left of the road and allow them to overtake at 60mph on their way to a toilet.

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Jeff

We voted on it. And now you say that a suspect petition must override a tightly controlled vote? All I need for a petition is to convince people to sign it (granny that dint drive, little timmy, 12....), an email (and we all know we can get loads of them) and a post code. Guess you can look them up. I saw it explained on one anti forum. Considering the numbers. The farmers petition had way less votes and a massive turn out. The anti 20 got what, 20 or so at the senedd and a slow drive around wales that no one really turned up to? One recent reply numbers for a consultation was 60 or so? 4K or so signed the petition in that area. See the problem?

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Only Considerable Upsides

Apparently, a Sunderland Conservative councillor ran a campaign against the change in Wales, signing that petition in the process, despite living 130 miles away and also supporting 20mph speed limits in his own ward. Politics over people, it would seem.

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