Why does Plaid Cymru choose Crown Estate over Sovereign State as a campaign?

"Just let’s do it. Annibyniaeth is the only option".... 100% agreed! And the only way we'll 'do it' is by electing a Plaid govt in the Senedd (who can then bring forward legislation on holding a referendum on the independence our nation so desperately needs).

I'll bite. I understand why you'd see Plaids promise of a referendum and commitment to gaining a seat at the UN as a commitment to Independence. On paper it certainly seemed that way but the promise of a referendum seemed more like a reactive move to growing support for Independence rather than a strategic move to achieving it. The promise was quite sudden and I remember I was concerned as it didn't feel like the party had really laid groundwork to make it a credible and winnable proposition which made the promise feel like little more than a campaign tool. At the time and to this day I was not alone in feeling this way. The author has posted before and seems quite knowledgeable in all this so I dare say they've not mentioned it for good reason.

A crude ill researched attack on Plaid Cymru. A bit harsh I think. A sense of realism rather. Better by far to recognise the shortcomings rather than the rose tinted and utterly false idea that Independence would appear if we all voted for Plaid Cymru.. Where is this campaign you speak of, When a promise of a referendum is made, you need to be pretty sure that the public will support it. So where was the campaign to tell them that their pensions would be safe, that their wages would be enhanced, that their environment and social welfare would be improved with Independence and as importantly how it is to be improved. That's a campaign I have have written often on the potential of Wales natural resources, where investment in skills and technology will improve an Independent Wales economy and provide the basis for these improvements. Not so Plaid Cymru. You mention 2021, A bad example, however the only one you can refer to where Independence gets a mention, albeit at the very end of a very long list of election promises and we all know how reliable they are. So where has this campaign, with Independence at the heart of its constitution, been for the last 25 years. Perhaps you could explain where the infamous Constitution for Independence document [ I have researched that ] with all its negativity. and ' perhaps we should try federalism first ' pushes Independence forward..

Plaid can't even clean the fluff out of its own belly button because there's a begging bowl blocking access. Getting hung up on issues in remote places while the grim realities at home are ignored. As much use as a wet paper bag.

So Gwlad would join Reform and want to turn Cymru into a slightly more prosperous part of England then? What joy! How could the Labour Governments find fault with that? Except it's a grey future, not a green one. It's not sustainable - economic growth based on the consumption of non-renewable resources (like fresh air, clean water and healthy soil, never mind the raw materials) must decline rapidly (and the longer we leave it, the more rapid it'll have to be) if we are to survive as a species. The people of Cymru have a clearer idea of what the real world and the reality of climate change means than the clapped-out adherents of neo-liberal capitalism who believe that discounting the future is all that is required to save us. Hmm, maybe themselves but not their children and grandchildren... We have the opportunity to begin to roll back the cult of the City of London, the Bank of England, the Treasury AND Rachel from Accounts in 2026. Time to stand up, Cymru!

For once in your life stop advertising your three member climate denying fringe party and wake up. Plaid is the only option for Wales, whether you like it or not.

It is the exact opposite of begging bowl politics. They are demanding we have control over what is ours, so that we can benefit from our own resources *instead* of having to beg Westminster to fund us. Granted, it is small fry in the grand scheme of things but that's not an argument against devolving the crown estate!

Exactly this, I thought this point would be obvious to most but it seems not! This is currently achievable, or rather should be if it weren't for the unionist parties.

The fact that Independence hasn't ' seeped ' into the consciousness of the public is surely a failure of Plaid Cymru, The Party of Wales, the so-called party of Independence. The point of the article is just that. They have failed to campaign, to persuade, instead expending their energy on the peripheral. Over the 25 years of devolution Plaid are no closer to achieving what is in its own constitution, than it was in the beginning. It is bad enough hearing excuses from its leaders, now it seems to be that the members are also getting into the habit. As for the Crown Estate being straight forward and tangible, it has proved not to be the case. So much effort for so little gain.

Your argument suggests that Plaid has developed a credible plan and that under Rhun ap Iowerth have suddenly found some political nous. If only that were the case. In the 2024 manifesto there was a claim to develop thousands of green technology jobs. And how were they going to pay for them, they would ask the Westminster government for £6 billion. A Westminster government that is prepared to see pensioners freeze to save less than £1 billion is going to give Plaid £6 billion. And that is the economic thinking of your future Plaid government. As for the Crown Estate. The Westminster government have nipped it in the bud. They have just ignored it. Like HS2 money, Barnett formula shortfall, electrification of railways, removal of coal spoil tips. They just ignore it and move on and Plaid moves on to the next mission. As for winning an election to build. How? Even assuming they become the largest party, they would encounter the same restrictions as the present government. The same budgetary restraints. Worse, they will almost certainly be in coalition and constrained by compromise Wales will see continued management not building.

They can just ignore it like they have for the last 25 years. What all this comes down to is leverage and Plaid directly asking for powers does more to let the state know that they have none. Scotland has gained more powers as a result of its Independence campaign so the way forward seems pretty obvious. It's not just about a referendum; it's about the groundwork that goes up to building to that point which doesn't exist because the party doesn't know how to run a national campaign.

There is no chance of a referendum being granted in scotland or wales to that matter, due to the supreme court ruling against the SNP a few years ago.