Time to put aside the politics of division and focus all of our efforts on the politics of Independence.

Interesting. I doubt that referring to those with whom you do not agree as having "childish and naive responses from those who should, by now, have the political maturity and breadth of vision to know better" is going to help. Well done.

What is this party? We don't all watch Question Time.

I agree with Gwern Gwynfil, CEO of YesCymru. Those who want to destroy the very fabric of Welsh society and remove Wales nation status want division not unity. And as the old saying goes. United we stand divided we fall. And those who want to abolish our Senedd also fear a confident bilingual inclusive Wales as it's a threat to their plan to assimilate preferring a dependent infighting divided country. I know it. They know I know it. And you should be aware of their agenda too. The very existence of Wales as a country is under threat since we left the European Union. Just look at the ones who championed Leave. Most are anti-Welsh language. Want to abolish the Senedd. And hate the very idea that England isn't the end and be all. #YesCymru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 #Ymlaen 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 #PlaidCymru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 #FreeWales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 #WelshIndependence 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Cytuno cant y cant. Totally agree with you Gwern. I found such attitudes too hard to take. I just can’t understand why people don’t understand that differences of opinion will always exist. An Independent Wales should welcome differences, indeed must. Without difference you have a totalitarian state. We need to listen to everyone who wishes to speak, debate, disagree, argue. And not just once, but as part of an ongoing process, to build the independent Cymru that we all need.

Refusing to even attend an event that someone you disagree with is at? Sounds like the self-cancellers are running scared from scrutinising other people, or being scrutinised themselves. Not refusing to share a stage, refusing to share a building! Those tiny organisations are outing themselves as unionist plants. Good to know for the future.

Bang on!!

How are Gwlad fascists?

These people have been a thorn in Yes Cymru's side since its inception. Previous leaderships at least managed to push them into these meaningless little institutions they created, even if it cost them. Maybe Gwern can marginalise these freaks once and for all. It is also high time that the movement stopped being so naive, and recognised that the British state is very active in the movement. In the 70s, it was openly recognised, and even sung about openly ("Ciosg Talysarn" and "Rhywun yn Gwylio" spring to mind). Now, the mere suggestion is met with accusations of paranoia. On that note, has anyone seen Gwynoro Jones since the 2018 AGM?

Come on! Is there nobody out there to argue in favour of what Gwern G calls 'playground politics'? To argue that since Dafydd Wigley was kicked out, and Plaid went left, Plaid has been on the path to glory? And is, this very moment after 100years, on the verge of getting us Indy? Neb?

Im all for no platforming far right organisations but the centre right party involved arent that. Gwlad certainly arent my cup of tea but worth pointing out that both the uk tories and uk labour are to the right of them in some areas at the moment. Just saying

The indy movement will always be made up of various points on the political spectrum deciding that the need to have more mature political scene, less restricted by ancient traditions, is best served by independence and also more important than an individuals political persuasion. The indy movement will be as strong as the arguments that this "different way" can be achieved without making people's lives much harder and will last as long as that proves to be the case. It's a fragile coalition with obvious risk. Maturity is needed in the approach, talking about solutions to the difficult questions (not just another "Westminster is awful" article) is needed as well.

If I have learned anything from 60 years, it is the dangers of a frontier on land. Should it be the Tudor border. Monmouthshire in or out. The Maelor Saesneg? Pengwern. What about the people of Flintshire? Might it be safer to move it west to a defensible line along the Conwy/Cambrian Mountains. There is no end to this once you start.

I wish to thank Gwern Gwynfil. This is a well written article. The whole independence movement needs to unite to make the birth of our independent nation in the world. We need to put our party political and cultural differences on hold until we gain independence, Those debates are for latter when we are free to decide our fate. Without an independent Wales it may not matter what we want because the UK and its majority English establishment will always decide our fate. We can learn from the only successful independence country on these islands: Ireland. Everyone did unite under one movement: SInn Fein. When independence was secure Sinn Fein party diverged in the 1920-30 to see the parties they have today. They have become a democratic EU member nation. We should have our own parties born and based in Wales from centre left to centre right. Welsh Labour should be a wholly Wales based party with its own policies decided in Wales. Just as the Irish Labour party, the SDLP, SPD, etc. The same also applies to the Welsh Conservatives. Those existing parties will also have the freedom to change their name if they so wish to guarantee that their policies will be made in Wales. Will Plaid Cymru become the main ALDE/EFA affiliated liberal and green party in Wales after independence ?

Some interesting and well thought out comments for sure. The tribal divide and rule practices of colonialism served the imperialism of the past but the future needs to build on a broader consensus where the maximum support for self determination is achieved. In the 1979 referendum campaign led by the late John Morris etc brought together the wide coalition of community and local groups drawn from across a wide political spectrum. This platform of joint liaison allowed it to be a springboard for the latter successful one. Sections of liberals, greens, plus much of Labour along with the powerful independent local government tradition delivered with Plaid that success. Unknown to many in our new generation seem unaware that a not insignificant number of rural Tory voters and urban business leaders added their support and monies for the campaign. We need to engage these folk again where possible to encourage their participation in the next push forward on powers to the Senedd.

So YesCymru's model for self Government is based on the politics of the SNP/Greens? Is that what we are signing up to? No thanks. I think we can build a much fairer, more open and more prosperous nation than that.