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The Welsh unionist political conversion

By Mark Mansfield
This week, First Minister Eluned Morgan has argued for a funding system change for Wales. Photo Andy Buchanan/PA Wire

Jonathan Edwards

When I started my time as a Member of Parliament way back in 2010, the big debates following each major fiscal event followed a particular pattern.

Supplied with fresh statistics from the Don of Welsh economics, Eurfyl ap Gwilym, I would highlight how poorly the Welsh economy was performing under UK Government macro-economic policy and how the Welsh public finances were being disadvantaged by UK Government spending decisions.

What really interested me at a political level was that while the main UK-wide parties would dismiss my arguments and defend the Westminster mothership, I would find common ground with both the SNP and the DUP.

The SNP, one would expect as a nationalist party, would hold similar views based on a political strategy of pinpointing how Scotland was neglected by UK Government rule as the building block for the wider strategy of generating support for greater self-governance.

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DUP

The DUP on the other hand is the most committed of unionist parties, with a singular aim of keeping the six counties of the northern part of the island of Ireland within the British state. Yet they would think nothing of pursuing a similar grievance narrative to Plaid Cymru and the SNP while maintaining an absolute non-conditional loyalty to Westminster.

When I started raising concerns about the potential impact of HS2 on Welsh funding before any meaningful money had been spent, I was typically attacked by my opponents and even the Welsh Government.

I remember asking myself on several occasions, why weren’t Welsh unionists advancing the arguments I was making, as inherently anything to do with funding fairness (Barnett, HS2 etc) was a unionist political position - in that they could only be achieved while Wales was a constituent part of the British state.

Why didn’t Welsh unionist politicians follow the example of the DUP, who saw no contradiction between advancing more powers and funding for Northern Ireland while believing in a puritanical subservience to the UK?

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See the light

Over recent years Welsh unionists have begun to see the light, in particular on HS2 where every single party in the Senedd has moved to a position of supporting a fair allocation for our country.

Some of their members in Westminster never got the memo, but as we all know the road to Damascus isn’t always designed by ruler. This has been a radical shift for the unionist mindset - that, just perhaps, the UK Treasury doesn’t always have our best interests at the forefront of its thinking.

I’d like to think that this change was down to the arguments that others and I put forward over the years.

However, far more plausibly, the evolution of unionism in Wales is being driven by the incredible work of the Wales Governance Centre team at Cardiff University. Luckily in Wales our political culture values expertise. Also Nation.Cymru which frames the political debate in a pro-Wales manner.

If we look at some recent political interventions, something is certainly stirring in the waters.

First Minister Eluned Morgan in response to the Comprehensive Spending Review this week argued for a funding system change for Wales so that Wales doesn’t in her words need to go ‘cap in hand’ to Westminster.

We are not talking about Barnett reform here: the First Minister is advancing wholesale change of system. This is exactly the sort of thing I would previously have argued, and indeed introduced a legislative solution via the creation of an Office of Fair Funding for the Nations and Regions to oversee Treasury spending decisions and arbitrate on disputes.

Savaged

Also, this week, Labour MS Mick Antoniw savaged the UK Government’s lack of progress on devolving powers with a comprehensive list of suggestions that would radically change the very make-up of the British state.

A few weeks ago, Liberal Democrat MP David Chadwick led a HS2-like critique of the proposed Oxford to Cambridge rail project.

Perhaps the best way to describe the political conversion at play would be to say that at least some of the unionist parties in Wales are moving to a Westminster sceptic position, leaving the Tories as the sole remaining traditional unionist party maintaining a position of supporting the old order.

This will all ultimately lead to different types of pressure on the two parties currently leading the polls in Wales - and indeed those parties and politicians moving to a more Union critical stance.

These are all positions that Plaid Cymru would have led on in the past. Labour and the Lib Dems are gradually encroaching on this territory. Where does this leave Welsh nationalism?

Will it also have to evolve from grievance narrative to a philosophy of advancing how Welsh independence could work economically to remain distinctive?

Similarly, Reform as the potential leading unionist party is going to have to make a decision at some stage on whether it believes Westminster knows best or that Wales isn’t being treated fairly by the UK Government.

Perhaps the ultimate dilemma will be faced by those unionist politicians who have now come to accept the blatancy of Westminster’s failure when it comes to Wales. What happens if nothing changes? Do they ultimately make the conversion from Welsh unionism to nationalism?

Jonathan Edwards was the MP for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr 2010-24

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34 comments

Will Jones

Fascinating and perceptive article

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NMWP

Perception and pragmatism in a well thought and interesting analysis.

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Rob

Devolution is not the problem, the problem is Labour. If you don't like their policies then vote them out next year. There is far more reason to justify being governed within our own country than by Westminster.

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Paul

I think you maybe right. For us devolution and labour have gone hand in hand. But what happens if after next year, labour are out and things don’t improve?

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Rob

Then we vote that out party as well. But you could make the same argument about any elected institution. Should we get rid of Westminster because Labour and the Tories are more or less the same?

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Adrian

People will vote them out Rob, and it'll be Reform that replaces them.

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Rob

If people vote Reform I won't like it but thats democracy.

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Peter J

I suspect the greater problem has not been labour but that devolution over the past 15 years has gone hand in hand with austerity. It's hard to know what specifically the Tories or plaid would have done differently over the past 15 years. Or indeed what they'll do if they get elected next year

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Rob

Well read their manifesto and decide which one is best for Wales.

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Rob

As long as Wales has a weaker settlement than the other devolved nations in terms of powers and funding than unfortunately this begging bowl politics will always exist. I don't like it either. If the UK was a mini-federal state like Canada, USA or Australia where all nations had equal levels of autonomy then everyone would know where they stand. Over centralisation does not work in a union of four different nations.

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Peter J

On what basis have you come to the conclusion that wales has a weaker settlement?

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Rob

Weaker powers and weaker funding.

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Peter J

On what basis is it a weaker settlement?

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theoriginalmark

wouldn't that be down to whoever is governing the country, the simple choice is to demand better not give in and crawl back to England.

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a a

Do you think that the US should abolish federalism and run everything directly from Washington?

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Y Cymro

Sorry, you are wrong. Devolution hasn't failed Wales. Both Unionist Labour and the Conservatives have. If you understood devolution would know that New Labour in 1997 gave Wales a dead donkey Assembly with no powers. And it took 12 years until Plaid Cymru forced Labour to hold a legislative Assembly referendum. The reality is. Wales has only had devolution since 2011. Before then we had no ability to make Welsh law and were still proxy ruled by Westminster. If fact, they still control many power and levers denied. Our Policing, funding , Criminal Justice, Trade, benefits, rail infrastructure ect.... You forget. Wales Unlike Scotland & NI was forced to used the New Labour designed LCO system (Legislative Competent Order) that meant a bill could only become Welsh Law in Wales if it passed four layers of government. Senedd , Welsh Secretary, House of Commons and House of lords. If one layer rejected it, would be sent back to Cardiff Bay to be changed until satisfied. Remember, Westminster only has two layers of scrutiny. House of Commons & House of Lords. Now do you understand who failed who.

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Y Cymro

Again you come from an opinion not grounded in reality. Stop getting your news off social media. Research man. Do your research! It's those lacking political knowledge who fall into the Reform UK trap. As with Donald Trump relationship the poorly educated , Nigel Farage loves the uninformed and apathetic. Are you seriously saying you are not critical how Wales is funded by Whitehall? Anyone happy with a begging bowl society are those who vote for Labour, Conservative Liberal Democrats and Reform UK in Wales. And there is nothing wrong in debating injustices Wales face. It's called caring. I take it you don't care about Wales because your attitude speaks volumes. Prove I'm wrong. What's your solution to end ant "begging bowl" dependency. It's Westminster & Unionism who weaponize poverty not Welsh Nationalism. We want to eradicate it and utilise our natural resources to create a self sufficient prosperous independent Wales. And don't forget. Our block funding comes from Westminster. That's how this false United Kingdom system works or doesn't for Wales. It's a flawed system we've got to work with. See, since the early 1970s Whitehall have used the outdated Joel Barnet Formula to fund Wales based on population not need to fund Wales . It was meant to be temporary not a permanent solution, you know , bit like VAT. To quote the late Joel Barnet, creator of the Barnet Formula own words in 2014: "The Barnet Formula is unsustainable. It has become an embarrassment." So If you are happy that Wales gets a financial & democratic raw deal quite from the UK Government quite perplexing really. Odd in fact? Ever thought you might be part of the problem and it's we who in debates point out the injustices faced are the solution Wales desperately need?

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Boris

If more Westminster is the answer how come North East England (which rejected devolvution) is now the poorest part of the UK? https://www.business-live.co.uk/opinion-analysis/wales-no-longer-poorest-part-17465667

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Peter J

The GDP is pretty similar;some years Wales is higher, other years NE. Has been like that for 30 or 40 years. Economically i would argue they're the two most similar regions of the UK. But ironically based on their health and education metrics, they now outperform Wales, despite getting less funding than Wales and not having devolution.

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Boris

Not so, the switcheroo happened in 2018 and the gap has been growing since. And on education, Wales outperformed most English regions last summer. Five English regions had worse GCSE results than Wales in 2024: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/north-east-england-london-north-west-england-north-east-english-b1177925.html Seven English regions had worse A-level results than Wales in 2024: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-students-schools-a-level-results-2024-b1176654.html And what's your source for health in NE England?

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Peter J

You're quoting a dubious newspaper which doesn't even state the source of its data!. Due to the distinction in education, international measures are used to compare the 4 nations. And Wales is distinctly worse, unfortunately

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Boris

The charts in both articles give the source as JCQ. That's a legitimate source. And we don't know how Wales compares with the English regions using the independent PISA system because England doesn't release this data. Why is that do you suppose? Don't you think they'd be shouting from the rooftops if every region outperformed Wales?

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Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.

Health education and transport are showing progress in Wales year on year and will soon be a match for England. Well maybe not health because we are still reliant on English hospitals.but when we get the expanded Senedd our talent pool will expand and obviously bring new initiatives and drive to the country.

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Rhosddu

Assuming, of course, that a pro-Wales party forms the next Welsh Government.

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Adrian

Let's face it, you could probably replace every MP, MS, and MSP with sack of spuds and it wouldn't make any difference to the absolutely shambolic state of the UK, and all its regions. We need to clear out Whitehall, the entire civil service, and start afresh if we want any chance of this country recovering from its current dilapidated state.

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Boris

Start afresh outside of London. Build a new central government campus city somewhere along HS2. Fund it by selling the entire Westminster estate to the highest bidders.

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Nia James

And selling all the Royal palaces and putting the Crown Estate into local government pots.

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Tucker

And how will you do that? When you were offered change. You all voted for Boris and kept the status quo. Your Brexit vote just made the country poorer and changed nothing. 😂😂

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Cigoch

We became more reliant on Westminster handouts and policy once we had left the EU. Change; but arguably for the worse.

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Adrian

I agree 100% - but Whitehall is even worse in every respect. It needs to be completely cleared out.

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Tucker

I couldn't agree more Adrian. Those reform MPs who seem to spend more time in the US or Middle East should be forced to resign and give theor wages to the constituencies they've let down.

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Barry Soetero

There are more unionists in Wales than Yes Cymru. That's a fact. It may change one day but I doubt it. Not when people find out the truth about funding and why Welsh children are more likely to be in poverty than English children , Reform are not the answer, but theyre coming

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Boris

Child poverty in Wales, England and the UK are currently the same at 31%. Four English regions have higher rates than Wales. https://endchildpoverty.org.uk/child-poverty-2025

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Wynn

It used to be the same up here in Scotland Barry, but over time we moved the dial from just around 20% to half and half. We both have the problem of the number of English people moving in (all my friends here in the Highland are English, I'm the last Scot left in the two villages near me), but the way to deal with that is to make independence something that they too can buy into. Independence is normal and hopefully inevitable.

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