Tuesday, 14th July 2026 Cardiff 26° · Clear sky
NationCymru A news service by the people of Wales, for the people of Wales.

Culture, Opinion

The BBC must stop giving anti-Welsh bigots a platform

By NationCymru
Picture by Tim Loudon (CC BY-ND 2.0)

Benjiman L. Angwin

If I were to use an offensive ethnic slur about a minority group on the BBC’s Have Your Say forum, such as the ‘n-word’ to describe a black person, my comment would quite rightly be binned.

However, if I were to write the words ‘the Welshman sleeping with his sheep again, aye?’, this would not be removed by the BBC.

These are both slurs that have the same intention and effect. Their purpose is to instil a sense of inferiority within the mind of the minority group being attacked.

This goes far beyond the stale ‘sheepshagger’ jokes (something which Welsh people need to stand as firmly against as black people do against the ‘n-word’).

During articles about the controversy over introducing bilingual education in Llangennech, as well as the government’s plan to reach 1 million Welsh speakers by 2050, the BBC invited readers to ‘have their say’.

The tide of bile that filled the comments was sadly predictable - but the BBC did nothing to stop it.

One after another, posts that contained racism towards the Welsh and hatred towards the Welsh language were given a home on one of the world's most visited news site.

Reading these comments, you would quickly have come to the conclusion that Welsh is both:

  1. a dying, barbaric language spoken by baboons.

  2. the secret language of a mysterious, Welsh-speaking elite that secretly run the country and want to brainwash our children.

Despite the clearly contradictory nature of these claims, if you’re black, Muslim or Jewish you’re going to recognise some very familiar tropes here.

Just look at a few of the comments OK'd by the BBC's moderators:

“What's happening in Wales today is a blatant form of Social Engineering on par with the dark periods of European history!”

I.e. those arguing for bilingual education are Nazis. On the BBC news website, the Welsh Government is being compared to those who planned the Holocaust.

“Where is the mandate to effectively destroy our children including their future for the sake of a language and its culture irrelevant to most?”

“So many of my old welsh school childhood friends cant read or write English & there entire life has been destroyed because the government is trying to keep a dead language alive for some stupid reason!”

I.e. the Welsh-language is so backwards and barbaric that learning it will quite literally give students some kind of brain damage which makes them illiterate.

Beauty

The truth is, of course, the exact opposite. And when they’re not providing a platform for those that traduce the Welsh-language, the BBC and Guardian regularly publish articles about the benefits of bilingualism.

One of the more moderate attacks found on BBC’s ‘Have Your Say’ was that the language ‘has no use outside of Wales and we should be concentrating on other subjects'.

‘Welsh should be last on the list,’ this commentator said. ‘I would rather my children spoke Spanish, French or Manderin’.

I believe she meant Mandarin. But I agree that children in Wales should be taught these languages. Trilingualism is better than bilingualism.

But it also ignores the fact that in Wales the Welsh language is a living language, and an individual can immerse him or herself in it in a way that would be difficult with Mandarin.

But her point of view represents a particularly British, ‘liberal’ view of languages: That they’re just means of communication and, as such, we’d all be better off speaking the same one.

Roger Scruton, the conservative English philosopher, said: ‘We appreciate beautiful things not for their utility only, but also for what they are in themselves’.

He explains that beauty is a form of knowledge. Traditional architecture finds use century after century because its beauty attracts people to find a use for it.

The Pantheon remains standing while the utilitarian concrete of Cold War era buildings is already being demolished.

Attacks upon Welsh culture are attacks upon a form of knowledge entirely unique to our nation, one whose value (like every culture) is not only in its use but its beauty.

Non-utilitarian beauty enriches our lives. We find a use for beautiful buildings in infinitely varying forms whilst the utilitarian concrete of Cold War era buildings is already crumbling away.

As Kenneth Hale said: “When you lose a language, you lose a culture, intellectual wealth, a work of art. It's like dropping a bomb on a museum, the Louvre.”

Extremism

Anti-Welsh bigotry will not go away as the Welsh government enacts plans to increase the number of Welsh speakers.

But it must be seen for what it is: An extreme minority making a lot of noise through a number of different online accounts.

The vast majority of people in Wales agree that the Welsh language is a good thing and should be preserved.

By publishing reams of anti-Welsh hate the BBC is effectively allowing itself to be hijacked by a few noisy individuals.

The BBC has a responsibility not to amplify such hatred beyond its actual limited scope.

It would not allow itself to be used in such a way for antisemitic comments, or hate targeted at any other minority ethnic group.

I grew up in the American South before I learned Cymraeg, and saw first hand the aftermath of what happens when you allow hatred a forum to attack an entire cultural group.

The anti-desegregation movement coalesced around rockabilly music in the 50s and 60s, with songs such as ‘move them n*****s north’, inspiring violence and murder of innocent people when such songs were broadcast on popular radio stations.

Giving platforms to hatred has left scars upon southeast Texas and Louisiana, from which we have yet to recover.

Wales has a chance to avoid creating scars as deep, as we rejuvenate Cymraeg and the Welsh culture.

And the BBC has a responsibility to cease condoning hatred and hostility towards the promotion of Welsh in its HYS commentary feeds.


Support our Nation today

For the price of a cup of coffee a month you can help us create an independent, not-for-profit, national news service for the people of Wales, by the people of Wales.

25 comments

marmaduke

Shall we just say that it's deliberate BBC policy to allow anti-Welsh bigotry in its website comments?

Reply
Mr Fake

That survey you added.... Number of respondents = 3,272. I agree nasty and personal attack comments should be removed. But this is a free world (hopefully) and we are all intitled to have our own views and express them.

Reply
NationCymru

That's actually a pretty big sample size for a survey.

Reply
Russell Todd

The writer is correct to point out the traditional British, ‘liberal’ view of languages reduces them to mere means of communication. Simialrly, it incresingly reduces the value and purpose of school education to whatever the economy deems useful. How tragically short-sighted and unimaginative

Reply
Tal

The BBC’s new charter under the Tories main raison d’etre is to keep the union together. Having a population who have an independence of mind and independence of language roaming in their backdoor is seen as a obstacle to total homogeneity and uniformity. That’s why I just don’t watch bbc wales, it just too obvious and transparent. BBC Cymru are also constrained by the charter, less obvious, but also transparent.

Reply
CambroUiDunlainge

This is the hypocritical nature of the British media. The Guardian is no better. I remember once making a comment on some article to do with colonialism - feeling you know... being Welsh I had a clue. I got utterly slammed for being a white privileged male who apparently knew nothing. Because there's always some one who thinks their cause is greater. But I'll share a nugget of wise words... no struggle is greater, nor lesser than any other. I don't pretend to be able to relate to Slavery, nor women's rights issues - and the way some people go off its clear they are unable to relate to any cause but their own. I do however respect those are genuine causes - I respect those who are able to in the least respect the struggles of others rather than diminish their own causes by setting themselves on pedestals above others. You will rarely find this mutual respect around British media outlets - especially towards us Cymry. Most of those comments on BBC and Walesonline are done by one person though. Those of us who frequent those sites are well aware of who he is even when he uses thirteen different accounts to "upvote" his own comments.

Reply
Tellyesin

Name and Shame .....

Reply
GOGLEDDmerthyrmarkfjaques

Ignore me and my aliases, I am just a crazyman "being sarcastic"

Reply
Bryn Daf

I agree with the article although when I hear people speaking Welsh in the council estates of South and East Wales we will know we have won as a non-establishment movement

Reply
Sibrydionmawr

I completely agree with you Bryn Daf, but how would this be achieved? The present system of teaching Welsh in schools would have to be vastly improved, and some pretty revolutionary teaching methods developed, all the while keeping the Urdd at bay to achieve such an ambitious outcome. It's not that it couldn't be achieved, after all, something similar has been achieved in Israel and they started with a language that was properly dead, at least our language is on life support, and isn't comatose, so there is hope. It would be an uphill struggle to achieve this aim, but a worthwhile one that would need to engage the imaginations of our cultural producers so that the language becomes attractive as a result. I'm thinking along the lines of Y Gwyll with subtitles, but no English at all, the creation of video streaming sites where Welsh language films from Y Chwarelwr to O Dan y Wenallt are available. Such a site would also be a repository of classic Welsh TV series, such as Fo a Fe - and English language TV series made primarily for a Welsh audience should also be included. Many of us would love to be able to watch Belonging, all nine series, yet not ever networked, or available on DVD. I've said this before, and I'll reiterate, if a small country like Iceland can make Icelandic film and TV shows available for on demand streaming, I'm damn sure that Wales can too! You can see the range of Icelandic film and TV that is available here: https://www.icelandiccinema.com/ Not to exclude Cardis, there are some that can be streamed for free! (Subtitles in English) https://thevore.com/icelandic-movies-online/ Come on S4C, actually do something that justifies the level of budget you get that dwarfs that of TG4 and BBC Alba combined, with less interesting programming! Encouraging cultural production in Welsh could also be a way of encouraging youth to produce culture that is of interest and relevance to them, perhaps incentivising through the staging of competitions with significant prizes? Part of the problem with popularising Welsh as a language in Wales is the perception that it is old-fashioned, and sadly this is emphasised with much cultural production. Who in their right minds wants poetry and harp recitals ad nauseum? I exaggerate, but too much of the Welsh language that is accessible to the majority is staid and stuffy - hardly a good advert. It also has to be said that it's too bourgeoise too, where is the popular culture made from the perspectives of ordinary working people's lives in places like the Segontiwm council estate in Caernarfon? Though in Welsh, the depictions would most probably chime with the experiences of ordinary working people in the South Wales Valleys. Above all, I think that to popularise the Welsh language amongst ordinary working people in South and East Wales, it needs to be wrested from the grip of the petty bourgeoise who currently see it as a meal ticket, and thus, I believe, have no real interest in increasing the pool of Welsh speakers in any genuine sense. This group is quite happy to see thousands of children leave school after their completely Welsh medium education in the full knowledge that the majority of these young people will probably never speak Welsh again. This group is furthermore content to accept poor fluency achievement rates from Welsh for Adults schemes, there being something like a 90% plus failure rate. Not all of this is of course the failure of the bourgoisie directly, but it is they who, by and large, who say nothing of no ongoing government policies to make Welsh a compulsory qualification to work in the public sector, and for making Welsh the language of internal administration - both ideals that would stimulate and make real the reasons for learning Welsh in the first place, plus give important economic value to the language.0 Yes, making Welsh the language of Wales once again is a worthwhile, and I belive, achievable aim, (if a challenge), but if we are to have that Welsh speaking Wales, we also need the context in which it can thrive, and that means being actually able to speak it as part of our daily lives in places like the post office, the bank, with the council. It also means that there has to be easy access to contemporary and relevant culture in Welsh. Teaching Welsh at all levels is important, and is the way that a potentially Welsh speaking population will be achieved, but unless the issue of context is seriously addressed, it will achieve nothing but failure apart from keeping the Welsh speaking bourgoisie in clover, or at least Radyr!

Reply
glasiad

My gut reaction to your article is - 'Grow a backbone Benjiman!' Anti-Welsh bigotry embedded in the British establishment is as old as the hills. The BBC, as the official broadcaster for that establishment, is the fitting platform where such narrow-minded prejudices should be aired. It also reminds me of the saying, sometimes ascribed to Gandhi, - First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. Post-devolution Wales is clearly past the first stage and is now hovering between stage 2 and 3. Stage 4, victory, is approaching. No need for despair or recriminations. Also, the tone of your article seems to promote some form of censorship, protecting us poor feeble Welsh from such nasty slurs. If that is the case you do us an injustice. It's almost a form of anti-Welsh bigotry of your own, albeit unintended. We are an ancient autochthonous nation. We can take it. We could throw it back twice as hard if we wished. Or even better, we could ignore those comments as they represent the the childish and hysterical rants of a decaying order. Let's not characterise ourselves as defensive. 'permanently-offended' weak-minded souls, (like some other identity groups I could think of). We are better than that. Wales doesn't need censorship or protection. Quite the contrary. We need to remove censorship and social pressure to conform to group-thought. Freedom of speech is our post-Enlightenment inheritance and source of our strength and dynamism, Europe wide. The growing pressure in UK and Europe these days to suppress and stamp out 'thought-crime', is either leading us back to the Dark Ages, or forward into a totalitarian hell, depending on your point of view. Wales, more so than England and other European nations, has always gravitated towards non-conformity, not just in religion, but in social organisation and economics. (Co-operatives were invented in Wales.) Let the anti-Welsh bigots have their petty rants. It should be to our amusement, not our consternation.

Reply
kim erswell

Find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with, Glasiad. One of my great loves of my Welsh friends is their not nanny staters like the woosies here in, Kent. BBC and Gaurdian...Ych a fi!

Reply
Tellyesin

Iawn Glasiad. You have a good point. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore it or pretend it doesn't happen or not blame those who are doing it or stop making those who are happy to publish it uncomfortable. Often it is amusing and then we see the #ANUSOFTHENORTH and are asked to pay the bill. They're part of a spectrum and if some are happy to nip at the heels of twats and wankers as part of the campaign we should celbrate that as well. More seriously, we have seen the rise in racial attacks at people of colour in the UK. That may not have happened as a result of Farage and Brexit but giving their racist nonsense parity of esteem makes it easier for others to justify themselves.

Reply
Leia

The trivially casually nasty remarks are a foundation which results in tips like #anusofthenorth and the virulent Llangennech nonense - it normalises and diminishes that nasty streak and should be challenged at all levels - the trivial included. Long term you ONLY change attitudes by changing the trival. I made this same point on the thread about rape jokes by prominent radio personalities, I make the same point every other week ont he subject of women in tech/stem/whatever . Yes there's not a straight line between the trivial and the major issues - but prevailing culture matters and the trivial casually nasty remarks are symptomatic. It's a pain and kinda draining having to treat the symptoms as well as the cause but it's important. Ignoring the symptoms isn't a solution either

Reply

In reply to Leia

Sibrydionmawr

Anyone who remembers the 1970s will also remember the plethora of Irish jokes where the Irish were portrayed as gullible fools, or just plain stupid. There were so many that were in essence feeble, that my youngest brother came out with what I consider to be the best 'Irish' joke I've ever heard: 'Why are Irish jokes so stupid? So the English can understand them!'. At about this time, the BBC ran a series of open access programmes under the banner of Open Door, that were made by various groups up and down the country. For one a group of Irish expats living in Birmingham, if I remember correctly, made a programme outlining the negative effects of constantly being the target for petty ridicule, and how, in the bigger picture is part of how imperialism and racism works. After the broadcasting of that problem, Irish jokes started to become less prevalent, though of course this still left many other groups as targets, to the point where today it often seems that it is only we Welsh who are subject to such ridicule and downright nastiness. We could choose to ignore such slights, but I think it would be a mistake to do this, and in spite of what one commentator on this thread has said to the effect that we need to show a little backbone, I suggest that robustly challenging all such insults is the way we show that we do have a backbone. Leaving such racism unchallenged is too much like turning the other cheek, and would fit in well with the pacifist ideals of Plaid Cymru and associated Pobl Parchus who think that it is by appeasement and being nice that we'll get people to respect us. Wrong. It is only by standing up to racists and other such people who consider us somehow, if only unconsciously, 'untermensch' that we will gain either respect, superficially or otherwise. More importantly, we will start to respect ourselves more for challenging our would be detractors.

Reply
leigh richards

Great post Benjamin - the welsh are no less deserving of protection under the law from abuse and discrimination than anyone else. And it's very sad to read that two decades on since AA Gill wrote in the Times that ' the welsh are immoral liars, stunted, bigoted, dark, ugly, pugnacious little trolls' that we are still fair game for abuse and ridicule in the british media. I must respectfully disagree with glasiasd's seeming 'anything goes' approach to such matters. If we followed that viewpoint right wing tory MPs would be able to get away with using disgusting phrases https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/10/tories-urgently-investigating-after-mp-uses-n-word-at-public-event and B&Bs would still be displaying notice's outside stating 'no irish no blacks no dogs'.

Reply
Alun Williams

They who direct derision at other cultures merely demean themselves. That's all we need to be aware of. Just remember how the once-august Sunday Times reduced itself to the level of a Friday-evening post-pub rag, when its editor allowed column space for the late A.A. Gill's anti-Welsh diatribe (I won't dignify it with the term, 'polemic').

Reply
Emrys

There is a bias within the ranks of the BBC and both the left and right wing press who are often more than ready to launch attacks in the media on the Welsh nation and the Welsh language yet appear to be very reluctant to criticise a minority of the Muslim community - mostly men - who are unwilling to adopt Western values re: respect for women, genital mutilation, child brides, sharia law and their attitudes towards the rights of the LBGT community - in case they appear to be racist. But its ok to publish biased and very badly researched articles e.g. the Guardian article re: Llangennech primary school. It is not a level playing field.

Reply
Dafydd ap Gwilym

The sooner we are shot of the British the better and please no more excuses for them!

Reply
Trailorboy

Completely off-topic, but the bit that really gets me on the BBC Wales news, is when they do street interviews and the like, the interviewees are never a cross section of the sorts of people that I would ever hear or meet in the street. Yes we have a lot of people with accents from across the border, but not everyone - there are plenty of people with recognisable welsh accents living here - most of the people I ever meet to be honest, but you wouldn't know that listening to the BBC here in Wales. I think someone has misinterpretated the definition of an English language audience in Wales to mean an audience of exclusively English people living in Wales.

Reply
Sibrydionmawr

The same can be said about the presenters - but I think that is something that has been highlighted for years. I don't see why we can't have presenters with strong Valleys accents, even using dialect. But, maybe, the BBC don't want to alienate the roughly 25% of the population in Wales that are English immigrants by having presenters doing vox pops exclusively in Wenglish! The BBC would rather alientate the majority of us who'd love to have TV in one of our native languages.

Reply
Electively Welsh

Great article. I long ago stopped bothering with the comments sections of BBC Wales because whatever the issue and whatever the topic, it always ends up being a sewer of anti-Welsh bigotry, often totally off-topic too. Most of the stuff the BBC et al allows to be said is racist, and is also (ironically) written in appalling English. But the main point is that it's not difficult to tell the difference between an off-topic minority bashing and often racist rant and a comment that one might not like to hear but is at least coherent and polemical. The state broadcaster appears unable to do this. This, added to its smug and banal English-language political commentary from the likes of Servini and Cornock, means that the English BBC Wales site is the last place you'd go for information. If I spoke Welsh, which I will do in due course, I'd follow the Welsh site, because judging by the subtitles on S4C that's where the only political analysis and intelligent commentary is to be found. Basically you need your own media - the Western Mail , Daily Post, Swansea Evening News etc. are a national insult.

Reply
Jean Carmichael

Cymru am Byth.

Reply
Glywys

It's funny. It's been half a century since the Race Relations Act, and the political machine today is always looking for the next thing to ban, yet nobody ever got around to addressing cambrophobia. How many western countries tolerate hate speech against their natives? Part of me suspects that the powers that be don't like being reminded that there are natives living on this island and are looking forward to the day when they no longer do.

Reply
Dafydd ap Gwilym

Well said Glywys, the British are very good at denial.

Reply

Leave a comment

Comments are reviewed before they appear.