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Lloyd George was not a one-dimensional villain and his statue should remain in Cardiff City Hall

By Mark Mansfield
Statue of David Lloyd George in Cardiff. Photo by DaHuzyBru is licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0.

Martin Shipton

The demand made by pro-Palestine demonstrators that a statue of David Lloyd George should be removed from Cardiff City Hall because of what is known as ā€œthe Balfour Declarationā€ is misplaced and should not be acceded to.

When I interviewed Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder of Hamas, at his home in Gaza in 1997, he raised with me the issue of the Declaration, a message of support from the British Government for the idea of creating a ā€œnational homeā€ for Jews in Palestine.

It’s true that most Arabs, who formed the great majority of Palestine’s population in 1917, when the Declaration was written, regard it as an unforgivable betrayal. In view of the subsequent theft of Palestinian land by those who are euphemistically described as ā€œJewish settlersā€, that’s understandable.

Dated November 2 1917 - 107 years to the day as I write this - it was contained in a letter written by British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leading figure in the Jewish community at the time.

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Palestine

The Declaration was quite short, stating: ā€œHis Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.ā€

Lloyd George’s name did not figure in the Declaration, but he was Prime Minister at the time, and supported the Declaration together with the rest of the Cabinet.

Yet to what extent should he be held responsible for the appalling slaughter of Palestinians being perpetrated by the Israeli Defence Forces today?

Firstly, it’s important to point out that when the Declaration was made, the territory of what is now Israel and the occupied Palestinian Territories had for many centuries been in the Ottoman Empire, a multiracial entity whose capital was at Istanbul. Britain was not the colonial power and was not in a position to create a ā€œnational homeā€ for Jews at that time or later.

Contradictory wording

It’s also worth drawing attention to the contradictory wording of the Declaration itself, which as well as committing the UK Government to ā€œuse their best endeavoursā€ to create a national home for Jews also stated that ā€œnothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestineā€.

And Lloyd George, of course, ceased to be Prime Minister in 1922, after which he was never again in government. He died in 1945, three years before the creation of the state of Israel.

Realistically, too, the success of the long campaign by Zionists to establish Israel had more to do with the persecution and murder of Jews by the Nazis and their allies in the 1930s and 1940s than with the Balfour Declaration. Balfour, Lloyd George and the rest of the Liberal-led government in 1917 were not to know that the Holocaust would take place decades later, making the establishment of a Jewish state much more likely than had been the case before, when the idea was not universally popular among Jews themselves.

Beyond these considerations, it’s surely important to look at Lloyd George’s career as a whole before deciding whether he should no longer be regarded as one of Wales’ greatest statesmen, but as a one-dimensional villain.

Cymru Fydd

From a Welsh perspective, he was in his early years in politics a leading figure in the Cymru Fydd (Wales to come) movement that advocated home rule. But he became disillusioned with the cause after a traumatic meeting in Newport where he was howled down and prevented from speaking by hecklers shouting angry comments like: ā€œEnough of this Welsh nonsense!ā€

He then concentrated on issues relating to Britain.

He was undoubtedly a pioneer of the welfare state, introducing as Chancellor of the Exchequer the old age pension in the ā€œPeople’s Budgetā€ of 1909, as well as raising tax on the wealthy and reducing it for people less well off. For many, that alone would entitle him to his place on a plinth.

William Manchester, one of Churchill's biographers, called the People's Budget a "revolutionary concept", arguing that it was the first Budget in British history with the expressed intent of redistributing wealth equally amongst the British population.

During the First World War, Lloyd Geprge’s roles as Minister of Munitions and subsequently as Prime Minister were seen as crucial in providing the weapons, ammunition and leadership needed for victory.

Lloyd George personally has probably been the subject of more criticism over his handling of Irish Home Rule than anything else.

The partition of the country into two parts was the result of Unionist intransigence, but as a pragmatist Lloyd George believed there was no realistic alternative.

Northern Ireland

The creation of the six-county statelet of Northern Ireland resulted inevitably in the assassination of Michael Collins, who would have been a great national leader, civil war in the Irish Free State, and many decades of bitterness. Ireland remains a divided island to this day. It would, though, be unfair to blame Lloyd George for that.

In the aftermath of the First World War, and with guerrilla warfare underway in Ireland, it was vital to reach a settlement as quickly as possible. The Unionists had received huge supplies of armaments with the connivance of senior Conservative politicians including Andrew Bonar Law, who succeeded Lloyd George as Prime Minister in 1922. If partition had not occurred, there would undoubtedly have been armed resistance from the Unionists, potentially leading to a massive loss of life. To blame partition on Lloyd George would be unjust.

There’s no doubt that Lloyd George was a complex figure who had an enormous influence on domestic and international politics. To dismiss him as a one-dimensional colonialist at a time when Britain still had the biggest Empire the world had ever seen is a simplistic judgement that ignores the significant progressive elements of his contribution.

He couldn’t avoid the fact that he was the Prime Minister of an imperial nation. Had he attempted to dismantle the Empire unilaterally at that time, he would have immediately been ejected from office.

I asked Russell Deacon, a visiting professor at the University of South Wales who chairs the Lloyd George Society, what he thought of the campaign to remove the former Prime Minister’s statue from Cardiff City Hall. He said: ā€œLloyd George was an imperfect politician, as all are. He did a lot in his career and people can make their own judgements.

ā€œThe Lloyd George Society is not a Lloyd George fan club, and clearly there were things he said and did that many people would not agree with or approve of. But he ceased to have a role in government more than a century ago and times then were very different.ā€

To suggest there is a cause and effect between Lloyd George’s approval of the Balfour Declaration in 2017 and the IDF’s genocidal bombing of Gaza in 2024 is a stretch too far.

May his statue remain in Cardiff City Hall.

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18 comments

Ann

As a signatory to the Treaty of Versailles he was also one of those responsible for the establishment of the League of Nations, predecessor to the United Nations, intended to reduce the risk of future was!

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Glwyo

Ah, now if he signed the Treaty of Versailles then that makes him responsible for the rise of Nazi Germany. Surely that balances out his influence upon Zionism?

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Padi Phillips

That's very simplistic. Anyone who knows anything about post WW1 Germany knows that the situation was far more complex that just the effects of the very badly framed policies towards Germany in terms of overly punitive reparations. The political situation was far from stable with both the far right and the far left grappling for power and weak government during the Weimar period. If anything it was the Wall Street Crash and the consequent Great Depression that did more to stimulate the growth and increase in influence of the Nazis. So while the terms of the Versailles Treaty certainly didn't help, there were many other factors that went to create the conditions that the Nazis could exploit. Conditions not hugely unlike those much of the developed world is facing currently.

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Evan Aled Bayton

A sensible conclusion. This Blue Peter view of history which concerns nations other than Wales anyway should be resisted.

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Linda Jones

The statue should stay, Lloyd George was a bit player in the Israel that emerged. He did much to celebrate

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David

I'm sure no-one is taking their demands seriously. LG was a remarkable man who most people admire and respect

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Padi Phillips

Anyone who takes a Trot/SWP front organisation seriously needs their head examined! These are the usual rent-a-mob nuisances who are loud but vacuous.

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Richard 1

A most interesting article but I'd like to have seen it acknowledge England's role in the 1930s, using our army to drive Palestinians off the land in favour of Jewish refugees from Germany. A huge departure from the balance struck in the Balfour Declaration.

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Margaret Helen Parish

You should take a breath and look up the history of the British mandate!!!

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Richard 1

is there a source you could suggest for a rather overstretched reader? A short explanation here would be welcome

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Padi Phillips

Don't be lazy, you clearly have access to the internet...

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Lord Custard

Almost as many Jews left land in what's now Jordan when they moved to Israel. A lot of the land in Israel was purchased. It's not as simple as Palestinians being displaced.

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CapM

'If you support Palestine go and live there!!!' It's good that you recognise that Palestine is a separate nation state to Israel. But as things stand anyone wanting to go and live there would need to the permission of the Israeli authorities.

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Rob Pountney

I would recommend reading "A line in the sand" by James Barr, this book chronicles the power struggle between the French and the 'British' in the mandate areas of the former Ottoman empire... In short they lied to and shafted all participants in the area in order to try and destabilise and/or take over each others mandates, the Arabs were promised a unitary Arab state (covering the Arabian peninsula, Jordan, Syria, and Iraq) at least at certain points, it is also worth mentioning that Zionists were also treated as pawns in this confrontation, at different times Zionist terrorists were financed and armed by the French as a means of destabilising the 'Palestine Mandate', the 'British' in turn did much the same in Syria and Lebanon using different groups... The 'British' encouraged (in the beginning) Zionist in migration as they calculated that they would be a pro British population group in the area that would help consolidate power, that didn't happen... Also interesting is the role of the Levant in the 'Free French' entity under de Gaulle, which very nearly saw de Gaulle lose his position before the Normandy landings, not only was de gaulle committed to the French Empire, it was also his only power base...

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Dr John Ball

IF there is a case for removing the statue it's for the terror he and his chum Churchill wrought in Ireland.

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Phil Higginson

Rwy;n cytuno gyda'r ddadl a geir yn yr erthygl. gan gydnabod erchylltra'r gweithredoedd yn Gaza a Libanus. byddai dymchwel cerflun Lloyd George yn anwybyddu cyd-destun hanesyddol, ac yn gam gwag.

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Mark

And let's not forget the atrocities committed by Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in Israel either.

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Padi Phillips

I don't think that's seriously in dispute, as a sovereign nation Israel has a fundamental right to self-defence. However what Israel has done in response if anything represents and even greater atrocity. Two wrongs do not make a right.

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