It’s time for Plaid to make the case for independence

I believe the Yes Wales AGM is in Aberystwyth this weekend.

You're right. It is a cliche that Wales would struggle financially. It is also a lie. Plaid should be shouting this from the rooftops at every opportunity. I don't understand their hesitancy. The numbers are there, just use them.

Land + Power = Wealth - who do you want having the power and land? Wales or London? (Plaid Cymru must get this point across) ........ With good technology, almost anywhere on planet Earth can be comfortably profitable.

Very true they seem to be frightened of the word independence

Under Tory rule - independence support...soft or hard is at 36%............Plaid Cymru got 10% in the last election THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE

Plaid has to take Independence to hand. The Party is treading water and gradually sinking. Be brave go for it. Don't let the doubters lead you astray. YMLAEN dros GYMRU.

The general thrust of the article is to be commended, but offering the option of the status quo or independence won't work, the groundwork must be done first, the groundwork Plaid has ignored for decades. To prepare our people for independence we need to create a mindset that thinks, 'Wales is badly governed, we are being cheated, lied to, independence is the best option'. To achieve that we must stoke up resentment, whether it's about water extraction, low wages, holiday homes, a tourism industry that gives little to local people, lack of infrastructure, a media that tells lies, social housing allocations, APD (which we were denied to help Bristol, not Heathrow, as Alun Cairns admitted) . . . in short, all those issues Plaid Cymru runs away from. Plaid Cymru has failed too many times, it's going nowhere. As I've said elsewhere, it serves England's interests better than it does ours. It poses no threat to the Union but it plays the role of a national party and inhibits the emergence of a true nationalist party that would stir things up. If Plaid can't reform itself - and I believe that those who care more about sucking up to Labour and Greens are in total control - then it must be dumped and we, the Welsh nation, must proceed by other routes.

I agree 100% with every word of this article and all the comments in response but, we also have to get seriously down to the job of destroying, once and for all the colonial celebralism mentality that's prevailing in our nation causing our people to believe that we are part of the great u.k. and couldn't possibly stand on our own two feet. Towards doing this, we have to rid ourselves of the symbolisms enforced on us such as the Tudor rag and reenstate our own such as the true flag of Independence the Four Lions rampant of Owain Glyndŵr. Every time, the English royalty visits Cymru, our school children are lined up in legions to wave that 'rag' to welcome them, a 'rag'that symbolises a disgusting regime that forced the Acts of Union'on us which did more than any war to rubber stamp the end of our independence in the first place and a 'rag'which was again foisted on us by the English Queen in 1958 to, again, enforce and rubber stamp the concept in Cymric minds that we are part of the United Kingdom and because of deliberate policies not to teach the Cymry our own history and that of other small nations like us, the Cymry have embraced this Tudor rag' and are now so brainwashed and so lacking in confidence that they find it easier to 'not rock'the boat' and continue to accept and use it. Many boats will have to be 'rocked'if we are to achieve our independence and ridding ourselves of this symbolism of our únion' with the u.k. could and should be the first important step towards illustrating that we mean business this time so, let'd do it, burn the únionrag'and embrace the true Independence flag, the flag of Owain Glyndwr who fought to the bitter end to re-enstate Cymric Independence.

Completely agree with the contents and comments so far. There are questions for Plaid Cymru that need be answered urgently. Who has the vision and leadership to lead us to independence? Is the current leader up to the job? (personally the answer would be no), Do Plaid Cymru have the economic brains to develop this long awaited economic plan? (Eurfyl ap Gwilym is one but who else?) What will Plaid's position be when we are faced with the Brexit bill? When you look at the 1974 political broadcast (You tube) starring Dafydd Wigley and Gwynfor Evans you can see how much leadership, spirit and passion for independence we have lost.

I agree. My experience here in Carmarthenshire is that welsh culture beats welsh economics and welsh independence in Plaid every time. At least our local county council leader Emyn Dole is honest enough to admit that he does not believe that he will live to see Independence and will concentrate on expanding places in Welsh Language Schools, presumably rather than the more demanding issues of Nationalism. Doing the little things that the state allows and politely offering the begging bowl to the UK for the crumbs is eroding confidence and hope even in Plaid Leaders. Welsh devolution was set up to fail economically and structurally, founded on already chronic under funding in many areas which, despite empty assertions to the contrary, still effects the quality of education, health care etc. Devolving poverty formally was a triumph for Blair who rewarded the many decades of Labour loyalty in Wales with legislating to keep his welsh voters poor. We need a change of mindset. Rather than shadow the British Political Parties and gage our success as nationalists by the success of playing by the rules, we need movements to reflect our ambitions, The UK State will always be more motivated to thwart the natives' ambitions for a better,decent place to live and work. The majority who live in Wales want a better, fairer country and there must be some way of delivering?

I agree with the content too, with one or to reservations and concerns. However, we need Independence and we need it asap so, I will put those rescons aside for now. There is a growing movement for Independence and Plaid could be left high and dry, hopefully not.